I did not say, at all, even once, that "identifying top secret craft" was their bread and butter. I said they had clear and undisputable expertise compared to the average person in identifying flying craft based on all currently available and known technology (which is what I was referring to re: the physics), and if they see something performing wild maneuvers at impossible speeds and have no idea what it is even with their knowledge and experience, then that is something worth noting. Whether it is alien or top secret craft is of course as yet unknown, and I never said otherwise.
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I did not say, at all, even once, that "identifying top secret craft" was their bread and butter. I said they had clear and undisputable expertise compared to the average person in identifying flying craft based on all currently available and known technology (which is what I was referring to re: the physics), and if they see something performing wild maneuvers at impossible speeds and have no idea what it is even with their knowledge and experience, then that is something worth noting. Whether it is alien or top secret craft is of course as yet unknown, and I never said otherwise.
Yes you said flying craft, which I took as flying craft. What you actually mean is they have expertise in identifying common planes. That I'll give but as were talking about ufos a bit pointless. They are also not immune from tricks of the mind which funnily enough even pilots suffer from and again well established and known about.
I am showing huge restraint here all things considered, but i'll just leave it at "lets agree to disagree", before I start banging my head against a brick wall.
Again you are going on about something else...
I am on about God and Religion being separate subjects....not whether they exist or not. Whether you believe in God or not, it doesn't make God and Religion the same thing, and being agnostic doesn't have anything to do with it.
Off course they do. They do insofar as there is no available explanation as to how a human being could survive such forces. They are supposedly able to accellerate and decellerate at right angels and stop etc in an instant at speeds of thousands of miles per hour. Have you ever witnessed the effect of 10g-force on a pilot? The typical max being 9-12g: longperiods causing grey-out, tunnel vision, blackout, loc and death?
Edit: By way of example I was thinkingof the Begium UFO Triangle:
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Your assuming they're manned. Craft do not have to be manned. There is no braking of physics in any of the videos.
You have no idea of speed, unless you can estimate size, seeing as there's nothing to reference it could be specs of dust to something several miles long. Even with pilot sightings, it's not going to be a dust particle, but they still have no idea of size.
You have no idea of speed, unless you can estimate size, seeing as there's nothing to reference it could be specs of dust to something several miles long. Even with pilot sightings, it's not going to be a dust particle, but they still have no idea of size.
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Can somebody explain this neighbours thing please?
The only time I mentioned neighbours is that the whole Grove was out + 2 coppers and we all thought it was a UFO.
One neighbour came out who was into aircraft and told us what it was?
I don't understand what you are trying to imply or have you jumped on a bandwagon without reading?
How does that relate to neighbours knowing more than pilots?
They do when the object is confirmed by a radar signature and they also have its speed. A object, I might add that is also confirmed by the eye-witness testimony of the pilots in pursuit. Again by way of example, belgium UFO incident.
As regards your claim that aircraft do not have to be manned. Well the introduction of natural non-manned aircraft is a more recent occurance . It doesn't explain how the examples I have been referring to have being reported doing phenominal speeds and right angled turns etc some 30 or 40 years ago.
Not quoting you specifically. I was merely referring to neighbours as in Joe Blogs. the man in the street being less informed or clued up as an alleged fighter pilot or NASA expert.
I never jump on a bandwagon without reading.
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It can explain it perfectly well, radar cross section does not mean it's a craft.
It dies not and never has broken physics.
Recent occurrence? Have a look at how long secret planes are in tests for before publicly released. Again stealth plane is a good example. Even then only public released when needed. Just like stealth hellicopter. We still wouldn't know about that if it didn't crash.
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So you are accepting that all these UFO sightings by Joe Bloggs on You Tube and in books are anecdotal and the only ones you take seriously are from those Joe Bloggs who might be Pilots?
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It was a great story how the B2 was finally confirmed to be real.
In Russia (and everywhere else) Josef Bloggs had been seeing a UFO but they were reports from everywhere with no real backup.
The Russian military decided to order every Josef Bloggs soldier to look up at the sky over a period of time and they ended up with real data.
Some of these Josef Bloggs might have been Pilots on their day off though.
It can't if it, the radar signature is being chased by two f15s with a visual that confirms it's a "mechanical" object and not some sort of ball lightning or gaseous object as in the case of the Belgium UFO. Regarding physics, inertia is still inertia and we have yet to explain how it is an object can do all those kinds of manouvers without killing the occupants, if there are any? If there arn't any, I would still like someone to explain from a physics and mechanical perspective how something can stop dead from doing thousands of mph in mid air and then do a right angled turn in .5 of a second before accellerating back up to thousands of mph instantly? That would be breaking our current understanding of flight mechanics to me.
More or less recently developed in aviation terms and still incapable of doing anything near what the reported UFO's are capable of. What does that tell you about our previous and almost recent avaiation technological advances. Prior to this it was the Blackbird: a mach 3+ aircraft that couldn't stop dead in the air and do a right angled turn from thousands of mph. The stealth plane makes a racket when in the air regardless of its low radar profile and would never be mistaken for a ufo because it still conforms to regular aircraft design regardles of its triangular shaped wings.
That's the point though. Testimony from pilots are not always anecdotal and they do know how to recognise the craft they are trained to shoot down. They are also trained to shoot down the ones they don't recognise.
How does it confirm it's a mechanical object? Radar does not mean it is mechanical at all.
It DOES NOT break physics. End off. It might be passed our technology or our physical limits it does not break physics.
It doesnt even break flight mechanics, it's just beyond the thrust we can produce.
Did these f15 see occupance?
Defiantly a Joe blogs opinion of an event. Breaks physics lol.
Has to be mechanical because of radar lol.
Occupance I'm guessing pilots didn't see occupants.
It DOES NOT break physics. End off. It might be passed our technology or our physical limits it does not break physics.
It doesnt even break flight mechanics, it's just beyond the thrust we can produce.
Did these f15 see occupance?
Defiantly a Joe blogs opinion of an event. Breaks physics lol.
Has to be mechanical because of radar lol.
Occupance I'm guessing pilots didn't see occupants.
I gave you the benefit of the doubt but I can see what richdog was getting at.? You are simply not making sense.
I said the radar signature was confirmed as is the case in many of the incidents by eyewitness testimony as being mechanical/solid object. What is there to lol about? The pilots were the equivalent of the ordinary man in the street were they?
Who said anything about occupants in the example I gave? WTF. I give up. Have a nice day lol.
I never said radar wasnt confirmed. I said radar dies not mean it was a mechanical craft. Radar pics up other things, including natural phenomena.
You said there must be occupants and as such if Human could not whitstand geforce. So occupants in this confirmed mechanical craft where spotted?
Or is it that you aren't applying the right info here.
I'm making perfect sense. I just don't agree with your analysis of it must have been piloted, it did brake physics, it was mechanical due to radar signature.
You said there must be occupants and as such if Human could not whitstand geforce. So occupants in this confirmed mechanical craft where spotted?
Or is it that you aren't applying the right info here.
I'm making perfect sense. I just don't agree with your analysis of it must have been piloted, it did brake physics, it was mechanical due to radar signature.
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