Do extra terrestrials exist? If so...

Skunkworks · 15 Apr 2012 at 18:12

dirtychinchilla said:
Take him on then...

Are you his fluffer?

EdGey · 15 Apr 2012 at 18:18

dirtychinchilla said:
Take him on then...

Brilliant

I dare you skunkworks!!

Castiel · 15 Apr 2012 at 18:25

I will only refer him back to the several explanations already in the thread.......

Davepen · 15 Apr 2012 at 21:44

Believe only what you yourself test and judge to be true.

That one, definitely not.

Castiel · 15 Apr 2012 at 22:03

Davepen said:
Believe only what you yourself test and judge to be true.

That one, definitely not.

So you will believe anything then...

Angilion · 15 Apr 2012 at 22:11

airrunner said:
Angilion said:

No, it doesn't. We only know that life can exist and that the universe is extremely large. It's still possible that life is unique to some staggeringly unlikely combination of freak circumstances that only occured on Earth. I'd bet good money on life existing elsewhere, but it's not a sure bet.

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Read his question, probability prevails here, it's possible we are alone but it's likely we aren't and haven't been for a very long time. There is far more logic to support the argument that there is other intelligent life out there somewhere in the universe.

Read his statement that I was replying to:

Its gotta be a sure bet

Also, read my post. You're saying the same thing as I am and yet you're thinking that you're disagreeing with me.

windheaven · 15 Apr 2012 at 22:13

i just hope human kind lives in a utopian soceity in the future ...much like star trek...

thats all i care about.

(not that i'll be alive still...maybe i'll be reincarnated who knows..)

ethan · 15 Apr 2012 at 22:46

No, it doesn't. We only know that life can exist and that the universe is extremely large. It's still possible that life is unique to some staggeringly unlikely combination of freak circumstances that only occured on Earth. I'd bet good money on life existing elsewhere, but it's not a sure bet.

I was under the opinion that current scientific theory was of the kind that pushed forward the view that the universe appeared "designed" for life. Where or what evidence then is there for the idea that life is unique to some staggeringly unlikely combination of freak circumstances that only occured on Earth?

ethan · 15 Apr 2012 at 23:46

Now if only we could create spaceships like we could a boat

. This is controlled by a tablet :eek:

Angilion · 16 Apr 2012 at 03:34

ethan said:
I was under the opinion that current scientific theory was of the kind that pushed forward the view that the universe appeared "designed" for life.

Why are you under that impression?

Where or what evidence then is there for the idea that life is unique to some staggeringly unlikely combination of freak circumstances that only occured on Earth?

We have no evidence of life elsewhere.

It is therefore possible that there isn't any life elsewhere.

If there isn't any life elsewhere, life on Earth would have to be unique to a staggeringly unlikely combination of freak circumstances.

I can't phrase it any more simply than that.

Davepen · 16 Apr 2012 at 10:59

Castiel said:
So you will believe anything then...

No.
But you can't possibly test everything before you believe it.

You have to listen to greater minds than yourself.

If a teams of scientists/astronomers/physicists state something, I'm going to believe them, because I neither have the knowledge or the capability to test what they have.

dirtychinchilla · 16 Apr 2012 at 11:01

I think that's fair, but isn't some critical examination of the evidence necessary? You can't automatically believe things because someone clever says them. Many scientists have been proven wrong over the years, that's what science is about, determining the right answer for stuff.

Castiel · 16 Apr 2012 at 12:31

dirtychinchilla said:
I think that's fair, but isn't some critical examination of the evidence necessary? You can't automatically believe things because someone clever says them. Many scientists have been proven wrong over the years, that's what science is about, determining the right answer for stuff.

Exactly. In other words you test and judge their opinion yourself. You do not believe blindly simply because they assume authority.

Elevon · 16 Apr 2012 at 12:50

100% sure they do exits since our galaxy let alone the universe is massive,you have to realize how many stars/planets are out here trillions and trillions.

Also look how old our universe is and we have only been around a very short time and still stuck in our solar system,throw in the fact that we have only discovered around 600 alien planets so far then you come to realize we have not even scratched the surface.

It would be arrogant to think we are alone.

http://www.space.com/12925-alien-planets-number-discoveries.html

jeff6475 · 16 Apr 2012 at 13:05

I believe

V4NT0M · 16 Apr 2012 at 13:19

Elevon said:
It would be arrogant to think we are alone.

Probably just as arrogant to be '100% sure' of something there is no proof of.

Castiel · 16 Apr 2012 at 13:20

Davepen said:
No.
But you can't possibly test everything before you believe it.

You have to listen to greater minds than yourself.

If a teams of scientists/astronomers/physicists state something, I'm going to believe them, because I neither have the knowledge or the capability to test what they have.

You believe blindly because they have an assumption of authority?

What if two groups of scientists are stating polar opposites of each other, what do you believe then?

Elevon · 16 Apr 2012 at 14:07

Skyfall said:
Probably just as arrogant to be '100% sure' of something there is no proof of.

Proof is out there,let me know when you have been to all the planets in the universe

, I forgot to say about the new planets and star systems being formed as time goes on with new chance for possible new life ,everything is recycled in one way or another.

It's not arrogant to think there is life when you realize what the universe is made of and we are only a fraction of fraction of a fraction of it ,lets see stars,planets,galaxies all things that do exist in abundance with a size scale that nobody here can imagine.
I have maths on my side,also we know there are other stars even stars like our sun out there ie G2 class ,planets we know exists ,galaxies we know exists,so why is hard to think that some other planets don't have life,we are all made from same material that other stars/planets come from.

This thread reminds me of the black hole debate,we know we have a supermassive black hole at centre of our galaxy by mathematics and motion of stars around the invisible region etc....but because we can't see it directly its not classed as 100% proof but very high probability .

Elevon · 16 Apr 2012 at 14:43

It looks like now around 1000 new planets discovered http://news.nationalgeographic.com/...s-found-nasa-kepler-earth-like-space-science/

Zeroing In on Earth's Twin

Aside from the sheer number of new candidates, astronomers are excited that a substantial fraction of the haul appears to be made up of small, cool worlds that are more similar to Earth than many of the previous finds.

For example, Kepler's latest discoveries include 196 new Earth-size planet candidates, nearly quadrupling the number of similar candidates announced last year.

(Related: "NASA's Kepler Finds Two Earth-Size Planets Around Sunlike Star.")

The number of potential super-Earths—planets that are about two times the mass of Earth—also saw a big jump, with 416 new candidates announced.

The trend toward finding smaller worlds in the Kepler data suggests that the spacecraft, launched in March 2009, may finally be nearing its goal of spotting true Earth analogs capable of supporting liquid water—and perhaps life.

V4NT0M · 16 Apr 2012 at 15:31

Elevon said:
Proof is out there,let me know when you have been to all the planets in the universe

You know this? Winky face ironic?

Elevon said:
It's not arrogant to think there is life when you realize what the universe is made of and we are only a fraction of fraction of a fraction of it ,lets see stars,planets,galaxies all things that do exist in abundance with a size scale that nobody here can imagine.

I don't think that either is arrogant, but if your position is that it is arrogant to believe on then you should concede that the opposite is true too. You see that neither party 'knows' the answer, so as one party may be arrogant for believing that they are the only ones, you too must be arrogant for thinking them arrogant for their belief in something which could go either way.

Elevon said:
I have maths on my side,also we know there are other stars even stars like our sun out there ie G2 class ,planets we know exists ,galaxies we know exists,so why is hard to think that some other planets don't have life,we are all made from same material that other stars/planets come from.

Math is in fact not on your side, sure we can make up a bunch of ASSUMPTIONS based on current known data but we have a sample size of 1 planet with intelligent life. Extremely small sample for anyone to come to a 100% conclusion that another exists. I'm not saying that it does or does not exist but that even using your calculator one cannot be 100% sure.

Elevon said:
This thread reminds me of the black hole debate,we know we have a supermassive black hole at centre of our galaxy by mathematics and motion of stars around the invisible region etc....but because we can't see it directly its not classed as 100% proof but very high probability .

Most threads in GD resemble a black hole