Do Microsoft want Windows Phone to fail?
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Because it's selling better then exspected does'nt mean it's selling well in relation to other phones if exspectations were low to start with, which they probably were as Nokia has had virtually zero presence in the U.S for years.
If its selling better than expected then they had a road map of how things where going to go, so if they do sell better than expected thats pretty good for more long term customers. Add that to the fact they only had a handful of months to get the 800/ 900 ready thats not bad going. Thought I wish Verizon picked up the 900 as well as I think theis would have brought over FAR more people.
They where losing money before Elop and all of this, even if they made the change to DROID the down sizing was going to happen and moving their manufacturing was planned years in advance, and as I understand it they actually have about 10bil in the bank as well.
The question is what can the offer up when Win8 phones come to market, and also if Nokia can get into the Win8 tablet market, becuase right now the only Windows Phone that anyone seems to talk about is what Nokia is making, thats a pretty good position to be in when you have other makers on the market, it COULD work out the same for how Droid has worked out for Samsung.
They where losing money before Elop and all of this, even if they made the change to DROID the down sizing was going to happen and moving their manufacturing was planned years in advance, and as I understand it they actually have about 10bil in the bank as well.
The question is what can the offer up when Win8 phones come to market, and also if Nokia can get into the Win8 tablet market, becuase right now the only Windows Phone that anyone seems to talk about is what Nokia is making, thats a pretty good position to be in when you have other makers on the market, it COULD work out the same for how Droid has worked out for Samsung.
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Where are people getting all the information about wp8 from? I've not managed to find any concrete information about wp8, what it will be based on etc (winrt? .net? Silverlight?) ... The company I work for currently employs 200 people out in the field with wm6.5... We want to move forward, but no information out there is forcing us to think about Android....
From here:
Nokia's Q1 Report said:
The "competitive challenges" don't have anything to do with WP. It's all the cheap Android handsets in Asia killing off their Symbian business quicker than expected. Which gives them less time for their WP transition
Read this. All of it.
I'm using a Lumia 710. It's great (despite some odd omissions) and even something simple like the new SkyDrive makes existing things on the phone (viewing SkyDrive albums in "Pictures") amazing. Core apps are slowly getting there as well like Skype and an updated Facebook app soon to be released.
They seem to have some awesome things...
...lined up for when Apollo hits.
The problem is that most people in the industry are now concluding that Nokia simply doesn't have enough time left for WP to start turning a decent profit. I seriously hope that they (and I) are wrong and Nokia makes it through. Nokia not having to play catchup in software (e.g. like how Symbian can handle PureView but Nokia are currently helping Microsoft enable such things with the camera in Apollo) will allow them to innovate like crazy on hardware. And a Nokia innovating on hardware is something to behold!
They're moving from a Windows CE kernel to Windows NT. So similar to Windows RT. Silverlight development is dead as far as WP is concerned with WP8. Native code is being supported finally.
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Microsoft barely acknowledges the existence of Apollo officially so it's hard to find any information. Only that WP7 applications will run on it. This is the only thing I could find so from current speculation coding for Windows RT Metro will be similar to Windows Phone 8.
Windows Phone 7 doomed by design. Fantastic.
Cnet... shall I even bother reading?
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I hope the blocks will be customisable because the whole layout looks like one of those block sliding puzzles as it is, an utterly horrific design.
Oh no, it's not getting an update.
A) it's not the only phone to not get an update.
B) it's a totally different kernel so not so surprising.
C) 20months
, well shiver me timber, 24month contract, a lot of phones are going to be upgraded anyway.
Like most stories and not just windows phones, so much overhype in the "media" that few people care about, just like the iPhone "tracking" and many other overhyped stories.
A) it's not the only phone to not get an update.
B) it's a totally different kernel so not so surprising.
C) 20months
, well shiver me timber, 24month contract, a lot of phones are going to be upgraded anyway.Like most stories and not just windows phones, so much overhype in the "media" that few people care about, just like the iPhone "tracking" and many other overhyped stories.
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That and the idiots that think the phone they have should be compatible with the new OS, tbh W7.8 looks great from the preview we have all seen, and it sounds like a great compromise.
Im still annoyed by a few things though, on ALL of my android phones i could have wifi active ALL day, updating twitter and other apps every 15mins, and still return a days battery.
Yet on WP7.5 which is designed to be better for battery and have so called social intergration, Wifi only works with the screen active or charging, and background updates are so hit n miss is ridiculous, Yet i dont feel like changing because of it.
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Totally agree with you man, the "Elopocalypse" was nothing short of corporate fraud on a massive scale. Symbian might have been bleeding market share at an alarming rate but it still had a LARGER global installed base of customers than Android and iOS combined, and Meego on the N9 was just around the corner (and turned out to be brilliant to boot!), with Qt to act as a bridge to help developers easily port Symbian and Android apps over to it. That would've been the strategy to beat, but Elop managed to convince them that it is better to be an OEM and licensee of someone else's platform than the LARGEST PLATFORM HOLDER in your own right!
If I was a Nokia shareholder I'd be getting my peers together for a class action suit, I defecate you not!