Do Nvidia 295`s have the same issues as Ati 4870X2s

[layte]

What a worthless post.

Failed attempt at a 'joke' *cringe*

Over the years, seeing this forum slide from what was once a relatively valuable resource into a morass of petty bickering and fanboy insults over who made the right buying decision is pretty sad.

 

[gt_junkie]

Over the years, seeing this forum slide from what was once a relatively valuable resource into a morass of petty bickering and fanboy insults over who made the right buying decision is pretty sad.

Here here!

gt

 

[wombraider]

User error doesn't equal a bad product.

To be honest, are you sure the HD rips you're watching are the best quality? Because HD rips I've seen, while good quality, the black quality and dark colour quality is far superior on blu-ray.

Have you watched them on an other card and only noticed the difference when coming to the 4870X2?

As has already been said, you're best just setting up a profile with ATi Tray Tools.

The quality will be pretty similar from the NV cards as far as I know, in the past ATi cards had better image quality but NV has caught up with the GT200s.

Correct user error does not equal bad product , glad it wasnt user error that caused the 4870x2 to be less consistant than the gtx280 for me

FYI I am not alone in doing the gtx280 -> 4870x2 -> gtx280 thing

 

[Final8y]

Correct user error does not equal bad product , glad it wasnt user error that caused the 4870x2 to be less consistent than the gtx280 for me

FYI I am not alone in doing the gtx280 -> 4870x2 -> gtx280 thing

Many others here do not suffer the problems you had with the 4870x2.
If it was purely the product then all would suffer the same as you.

 

[kitch9]

There were loads of silly people who did the 280 > 4870x2 > 280 thing. Congrats you are one of them!!

Seriously why?

As far as I am aware the 4870x2 has profiles as I use them. I can even make a shortcut on my desktop that launches an app and sets the settings for that app automatically!! Fancy that!

I can even edit that profile so that my 2d clocks are 300mhz GPU and Memory which makes the card run cooler whilst idling and solves the idle gpu clock bug....

I was playing GTA IV with a crossfire profile a while before the competition had their equivalent sorted. Fear 2 took 1 week.....

Seriously OP if you don't know how to use your card its not ATI's fault, and HD rips are not HD.... 25-50GB has been compressed to 4-5GB.... Something has to give, and you are witnessing it.

90C are normal temps and the fan only starts to kick up around that point. If you think thats too hot then great, but ATI's thermal engineers have designed the card that way and I would assume they are higher qualified than you to make that decision.

 

[kylew]

Goodness me! Handbags at dawn.

While i agree with some of the things that kylew has said i don't feel he's approached the thread in a polite and considered manner.

I agree with the fact the 295 is overpriced but in the OP's position he can obviously afford the swap. He isn't liking his time with ATi (like myself - very good cards but iffy performance in game and lackluster CCC interface the last time i tried) meaning unless he has an SLi board for dual 260/280/285's only the 295 will do.

gt

Uhh, I was tired at the times that I posted, and the bashing set off my fanboy alarms.

I just find it really ignorant when people say that a certain product is bad just because of their experience. I understand why they think that, but they should be far more broad minded about it.

Anyway, apologies if I went a bit overboard on the negativity and grouchiness. I just think people need to calm down on the 'ZOMG *insert card* sux0r becuz I couldn't get it to werk LAWL'.

I find a lot of these type of problems really do stem from user error.

Now while I don't like NV, it's not their products I dislike, it's their business practices that I don't like, which is why I refuse to buy anything from them.

As in the whole paying people off to make them look better, being really arrogant in their marketing and outward appearance and the lies and rubbish they come out with. As many times as I have mentioned it, it still annoys me to no end with what they done to Assassin's Creed. Making reviewers jump through hoops and controlling what games they use to review a graphics card and then kicking off and trying to discredit people who tell the truth. Which is something I don't want to be funding.

Which gets me off on a rantpage when people talk ignorance crap. Although, as I've said, I don't think NV's cards are crap, they just make them so by pricing them so badly, and that ties in with the whole 'if you want the best, you've got to pay for the best' which is obvious, but when the 4870X2 was the best no contest in performance, it was still fairly priced.

Even then, you pay top price for something that's not actually top performance. Especially when the GTX280 and 260s came out. I understand that the 260 and 4870 1GB are around the same price now, but from a lot of reviews the 4870 1GB still bests it.

I think NV relies on the people who think like this when it comes to the ultra high end. If it's the best, even by single digit percentages, we can charge a big premium on it for a difference in performance nearly no one will ever notice.

Also, I think Layte's comment was a bit much innapropriate, it just seemed like an excuse for him to be crude, though maybe I read in to it too much, and what he was really making a point of is that rather then getting people moaning about ATi cards which they obviously dislike, go and buy NV and don't moan about it.

I can afford to buy what ever I want for my PCs, I'm young, I have a good job, I'm debt free, I have no dependancies and I only have to pay a hand full of bills like TV, internet, mobile and so on, so yeah, I CAN afford to buy all the top end stuff, but I choose not to because I still want to get value for my money.

Which is why I've held up on building a core I7 PC, I've been waiting for the motherboards to drop below £200 and the I7 920 to drop to £200 or below as my current set up is by no means slow and the premium I'd pay for the I7 stuff just isn't worth the difference I would get.

And again, with regards to the GTX295 SLi, I should have made it clearer, but I was stating around £1000 for 295 SLi versus around £600 for X2 crossfire as what it would cost me if I were to go for either of those set ups, as I currently already have a crossfire motherboard, so I would have to buy an SLi capable motherboard if I wanted to go SLi.

 

[gt_junkie]

Many others here do not suffer the problems you had with the 4870x2.
If it was purely the product then all would suffer the same as you.

Why would all suffer?

Varying system configs, non specific and random hardware issues could all be the cause.

It could come down to a delicate ballance of hardware, drivers, related games and personal sensitivity to things like the stuttering issue many have mentioned.

I frankly don't mind either manufacturer - happy to pick either manufacturer as can be seen in the cards i've had over the years:

9600LE
9600XT
9800PRO
X800XT
X850XT
6800Ultra
7800GT
7900GT
7950GX2
8800GTX
2900CF
3850
8800GTS (512)
3850CF
3870X2
9800GX2
4850CF
GTX260

Of the recent ATi cards i found performance to be decent but minimum framerates caused me issues and resulted in choppyness. Most cards there (certainly the crossfire configs) were tested on various operating systems and occasionally different mobos.

gt

 

[wombraider]

Many others here do not suffer the problems you had with the 4870x2.
If it was purely the product then all would suffer the same as you.

I didnt have any "problems" as such with the 4870x2 , its just he gtx280 was better

Your experience of trying both a gtx280 and a 4870x2 on:
a Q6600 based system
a i7 920 based system

Must have been different to mine , different people different results

I will also say , I have owned the same amount of cards from both manufacturers
I HATE giving Nvidia any money ( cos they price gouge the hell outa us/ they are arrogant gits ) , I would happily support Ati
if they had the better product but in this case I tried both and found the Nvidia better.

 

[reflux]

Well I'd like to say that I've run both a 4870X2 and a GTX 280 on my current setup, and gamed extensively with both. The only game in six months that I had any issues with was Fear 2, which would crash on the X2. This has been fixed in Catalyst 9.2.

There is no tangible difference in performance in any of the games I am playing at the moment (Left4Dead, DoW2, Fear 2). Both cards are excellent performers.

In my opinion, a lot of problems with the X2 and ATi cards in general comes down to specific hardware configuration and basically the direction the wind is blowing that day

 

[gt_junkie]

Now while I don't like NV, it's not their products I dislike, it's their business practices that I don't like, which is why I refuse to buy anything from them.

Which gets me off on a rantpage when people talk ignorance crap. Although, as I've said, I don't think NV's cards are crap, they just make them so by pricing them so badly

Quite agree - their high end (when only slightly faster) is ridiculously expensive.

I bought both the 8800GTX and 9800GX2 at launch and it was worth it since they were noticeably better than the nearest competitor at the time.

If you're careful and buy at the right time then it can be a win win - even with NV.

For example, my rig (CPU, mobo, ram and GTX) only cost me just over £470 - i'll also be getting another GTX soon which should give me near 295 performance at a fraction of the cost.

gt

 

[kylew]

Quite agree - their high end (when only slightly faster) is ridiculously expensive.

I bought both the 8800GTX and 9800GX2 at launch and it was worth it since they were noticeably better than the nearest competitor at the time.

If you're careful and buy at the right time then it can be a win win - even with NV.

For example, my rig (CPU, mobo, ram and GTX) only cost me just over £470 - i'll also be getting another GTX soon which should give me near 295 performance at a fraction of the cost.

gt

I'd say I bought my stuff just at the right time too, because everything except for my RAM has actually gone up in price, or has been quite a bit more expensive since buying it.

For £470, you got a really nice system, which is why it blows my mind that when the GTX295 was released you would have paid more than your system's cost for it.

My last system I built cost me around £670 for a Q6700 ( I wanted to see if I could get it to clock higher than my Q6600 though I should have just got a Q6600 anyway.) 2 512MB 4850s, an Asus P5E X38 motherboard, and 8GB of 1Ghz DDR2.

My 4850s do me fine for the time being and I think I'm 100% sure that I'm completely ignorant of microstuttering as I can't ever recall experiencing it.

Though I do hope to get a RV790 based card when they decide to turn up, in the X2 flavor is the price is right as I can't see my 4850s lasting long if I want to play games accross 3 screens with them (due to the 512MB RAM).

My 4850s will be getting put in to my current server and a media PC to be for some LAN gaming goodness when friends come over.

 

[gt_junkie]

Though I do hope to get a RV790 based card when they decide to turn up, in the X2 flavor is the price is right as I can't see my 4850s lasting long if I want to play games accross 3 screens with them (due to the 512MB RAM).

Nice - do you have the triple screen set up now or is it in the pipeline?

If you don't what screens are you planning on using?!

gt

 

[Final8y]

Why would all suffer?

Varying system configs, non specific and random hardware issues could all be the cause.

It could come down to a delicate ballance of hardware, drivers, related games and personal sensitivity to things like the stuttering issue many have mentioned.

I frankly don't mind either manufacturer - happy to pick either manufacturer as can be seen in the cards i've had over the years:

9600LE
9600XT
9800PRO
X800XT
X850XT
6800Ultra
7800GT
7900GT
7950GX2
8800GTX
2900CF
3850
8800GTS (512)
3850CF
3870X2
9800GX2
4850CF
GTX260

Of the recent ATi cards i found performance to be decent but minimum framerates caused me issues and resulted in choppyness. Most cards there (certainly the crossfire configs) were tested on various operating systems and occasionally different mobos.

gt

That's my point, its not purely down to the card but a whole host of things.
You just make sure you do your home work & get what works best with your system.
The problem is that people just blame the card at the first hurdle.

 

[kylew]

Nice - do you have the triple screen set up now or is it in the pipeline?

If you don't what screens are you planning on using?!

gt

I'm almost there, I have 2 dell 2408s at the moment. I've been doing a lot of 'house work' at the moment, so I've been putting my money in to that, but it's almost finished now so I'll pick up a third 2408 in the next month or so.

Which reminds me, I've got to add some pictures to the post your room thread

 

[gt_junkie]

I'm almost there, I have 2 dell 2408s at the moment. I've been doing a lot of 'house work' at the moment, so I've been putting my money in to that, but it's almost finished now so I'll pick up a third 2408 in the next month or so.

Which reminds me, I've got to add some pictures to the post your room thread

Wonderful - that'll look ace!

The problem is that people just blame the card at the first hurdle.

Yeah, completely agree. But after repeated tinkering and driver changes i could not sort it.

Sometimes it just can't be fixed which is why i believe these threads come up.

gt

 

[wombraider]

Yeah, completely agree. But after repeated tinkering and driver changes i could not sort it.

Sometimes it just can't be fixed which is why i believe these threads come up.

gt

Quoted for truth

I spent 3 weeks trying to get the 4870x2 to perform better
It wasnt like I stuck the card in installed drivers and then started crying cos it
wasnt lightning fast

 

[Final8y]

Wonderful - that'll look ace!

Yeah, completely agree. But after repeated tinkering and driver changes i could not sort it.

Sometimes it just can't be fixed which is why i believe these threads come up.

gt

If it is the combo of motherboard & gfx card that does not play ball even well after BIOS updates then your pretty much stuffed.

I don't rush in on new gen because there is noway of knowing what works best with what.

The only trend im seeing is that most of the people that do mention problems with consistency with ATI cards are on Intel motherboards.

 

[gt_junkie]

The only trend im seeing is that most of the people that do mention problems with consistency with ATI cards are on Intel motherboards.

Very good point.

I hadn't even considered that TBH - nice spot!

Would be interesting to see a table of issues and hardware to see if there's any correlation.

gt

 

[kylew]

If it is the combo on motherboard & gfx card that does not play ball even well after BIOS updates then your pretty much stuffed.

I don't rush in on new gen because there is noway of knowing what works best with what.

The only trend im seeing is that most of the people that do mention problems with consistency with ATI cards are on Intel motherboards.

Wouldn't that be because most people have intel boards anyway?

 

[gt_junkie]

Wouldn't that be because most people have intel boards anyway?

Ha ha - probably!

gt