Do you believe in fate?

Indy500 · 24 Jan 2008 at 23:40

yantorsen said:
but the result of an interaction isn't certain

I also added that people cause that to be so more than say a pair of chemicals.

yantorsen · 24 Jan 2008 at 23:42

perhaps fate is the residue of design.

which is essentially not fate. Surely if you can controll fate it's no longer fate?

TheMagicPirate · 24 Jan 2008 at 23:43

I want to watch The Matrix now!

I don't believe in fate but there have been times in my life, maybe not so dissimilar to yours where I have thought 'You know what, maybe there is something to this fate thing...'

Believing in fete scares me, I'd like to think that I can do what I want and not what I was 'meant' to do.

hiroofheroes · 24 Jan 2008 at 23:46

The future is not set, there is no fate but what we make for ourselves.

Indy500 · 24 Jan 2008 at 23:48

yantorsen said:
perhaps fate is the residue of design.

which is essentially not fate. Surely if you can controll fate it's no longer fate?

You can't control what other people do though. There's also the free will argument...

yantorsen · 24 Jan 2008 at 23:49

sr4470 said:
You can't control what other people do though. There's also the free will argument...

but if you can't controll what other people do, and what they do is based on free will, then it's not fate, as what people impose on you do it because of free will.

not quite sure what you were saying.

Indy500 · 24 Jan 2008 at 23:51

yantorsen said:
but if you can't controll what other people do, and what they do is based on free will, then it's not fate, as what people impose on you do it because of free will.

not quite sure what you were saying.

I wasn't saying I agree with fate in the classical sense anyway.

yantorsen · 24 Jan 2008 at 23:52

sr4470 said:
I wasn't saying I agree with fate in the classical sense anyway.

so what is your idea of fate?

Indy500 · 24 Jan 2008 at 23:53

yantorsen said:
so what is your idea of fate?

Fate doesn't really exist. There is no single, fixed future, if thats what you're taking fate to mean.

yantorsen · 24 Jan 2008 at 23:55

sr4470 said:
Fate doesn't really exist. There is no single, fixed future, if thats what you're taking fate to mean.

I agree with that, although that is just an opinion.

So if you don't believe in fate in the classical sense, how do yuo beleive in fate?

dangerousmouse · 24 Jan 2008 at 23:55

i think fate is like a list of thing that WILL happen. loosely put, birth, death and a few things in the middle.

its all about choices though. you decide what path to take, how long it takes etc.

yantorsen · 24 Jan 2008 at 23:57

birth and death are obviouisly fairly certain, but which things in the middle would you say were fate?

Indy500 · 24 Jan 2008 at 23:57

yantorsen said:
I agree with that, although that is just an opinion.

So if you don't believe in fate in the classical sense, how do yuo beleive in fate?

Well, there is only a singular timeline to my knowledge, so that aspect is fine. Its what affects the events in that singular timeline that I disagree on.

Deep · 24 Jan 2008 at 23:57

I think the whole world, and our lives revolve around probability.
every thing you ever encounter is all due to probabilty,

what are the odds you met a certain person, on a certain day, at a certain time, at a certain location?

yantorsen · 24 Jan 2008 at 23:58

Deep said:
I think the whole world, and our lives revolve around probability.
every thing you ever encounter is all due to probabilty,

what are the odds you met a certain person, on a certain day, at a certain time, at a certain location?

I don't think it's probability, it's just a case of lot's of factors all coming togethor to make something happen.

yantorsen · 24 Jan 2008 at 23:59

sr4470 said:
Well, there is only a singular timeline to my knowledge, so that aspect is fine. Its what affects the events in that singular timeline that I disagree on.

but beleiving in a singular timeline isn't fate?

Indy500 · 25 Jan 2008 at 00:00

yantorsen said:
but beleiving in a singular timeline isn't fate?

One universe, one timeline. Unless the timeline splits for different actions and results, in which case we have infinite parallel universes. After all, you can't be in two places at once. Then there's whether time travel is possible, ripple effects...

Deep · 25 Jan 2008 at 00:08

yantorsen said:
I don't think it's probability, it's just a case of lot's of factors all coming togethor to make something happen.

that is definitely a strong possibility, but you can look as all these events as probabilities, which to me makes more sense

yantorsen · 25 Jan 2008 at 00:17

Deep said:
that is definitely a strong possibility, but you can look as all these events as probabilities, which to me makes more sense

But it kind of implies some sort of randomness, I don't think randomness actually exsists.

Indy500 · 25 Jan 2008 at 00:19

yantorsen said:
But it kind of implies some sort of randomness, I don't think randomness actually exsists.

We don't do things seemingly at random?