Do you own your own children/yourself?

sityeuropa said:
Is it correct the birth certificate is the state owning you? When you become a Mr.
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Only if you believe in "freeman of the land" stuff.

Of course for it to apply it has to have the name in FULL CAPITALS as that's your state owned identity, as long as you never use caps in your name you've still got another identity (or some such nonsense).

It's a bunch of rubbish spouted by idiots who think things like the fact you have a Dock in courts shows that it's an admiralty court, and they often preach it to people who are desperate and vulnerable.
 
SexyGreyFox said:
It's quite funny all the posters laughing at jsmoke when it's actually a good question.
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I'm not sure it's a good question.

Parents (also guardians) are responsible for the children in their care, and liable (up to a point) for their actions.

The role is plainly that of guardian/custodian/provider/tutor/coach (etc). Which are obviously not legal terms as IANAL.

But then the state can and does tell parents what they may and may not do with/to their children. Eg "your children must go to school" and "you must not beat your children". Etc.

But that does not indicate property or ownership. It's just a common framework for society. The state also dictates what you may/may not do to other adults - whether of your household or not.

Clearly the state doesn't own anyone. I'd say your employer in most cases "owns" us more than the state does. And even that is just a figure of speech.

If anyone thought the state owned their children or indeed owned them they'd be trying to escape, and in that case we'd be the kind of crackpot country that built a wall to stop them (escaping) :p Imagine NK. We're not NK.

Our society does control us for sure. But it's not directed by the state or some committee :p We have collectively established societal norms, and we consciously or subconsciously value and encourage conformity. We try to be "normal" and we gravitate towards "normal" people - who play by the rules. We're *supposed* to have kids (or you're not normal). We're supposed to want loads of stuff and to have credit cards and loads of personal debt. We're supposed to have a nice family car, nice clothes, etc.

None of this is being directed by the state - but by societal conditioning which we all contribute towards creating.

Alternatively, all of the above is crap and I'm bored.
 
cheesyboy said:
The one I find interesting is that if you get a limb amputated, you don't get the option to take it home. As far as I know.

If your neighbour trims your tree, he's supposed to offer the trimmings back, when a garage changes car parts, you can ask for the old ones, but not your own fingers or legs etc.
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Unless you live in America.

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt3462002/
 
jsmoke said:
Not my finest hour.
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I understood it and I think it is an excellent question.

Part of my job is dealing with Court Of Protection which means the state has way more 'ownership' of a person than the family.
So does a parent own their child? In a roundabout way yes up until the time they are 18 or the state takes over and makes the decisions for you.

Soon those flakey people will be saying we can't say "That is my child" because saying those words means you own it.
 
You aren't owned by the state but you do owe the state, as in you can be called upon in times of need and you will be expected to respond. For example at times of war or even jury duty.

But we aren't entirely free either as society needs rules and restrictions to function.
 
Kreeeee said:
I was given my wisdom teeth in a vial after I had them taken out under general anaesthetic in hospital. I believe there was also a piece of jawbone in there.
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There was a court case once, regarding an extracted tooth.
Oddly, as it is medical waste, it tends to be disposed off in a specific manner, thus why people tend not to be given them in all situations.
However, the court case determined, that if you have ever paid for a procedure to the tooth, such as a filling, then you have the right of ownership to the tooth.
Else you do not.
This was many years ago, and no doubt things can and may be different now, but it isn't something often contested.
Generally if someone asks for their tooth, they are given their tooth.
 
So dentists keep teeth and are generally fairly well off.

Tbh I'd probably also have a fair few squids if I left 20 teeth a night under my pillow.
 
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