Can you sum it up for those of us who aren't inclined to read all that?
Do you trust the mainstream media?
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Can you sum it up for those of us who aren't inclined to read all that?
Whose facts? for example the BBC never report on Trumps successes making them extremely bias, they use ONS figures on Economics and Brexit cometary as if they are the gold standard despite the fact that the ONS have yet to be right on anything, they use pollsters who are consistently wrong.
You can always use someone's research and facts as if they are the god of all such things, it doesn't mean they are, in the case of the BBC and probably about 90% of mainstream British media are very selective indeed when it comes to 'Fact checking'
The BBC's fact checking predicted a Hillary landslide, it predicted remain would win by a good margin.... nope.
Its what you get when one propaganda mouthpiece agrees with another, and that's all it is.
We have to go back to the point of this thread.
33 countries polled on whether or not they trust their own news media, in our case we are stone dead last and have been for years, 23% of us trust our news outlets.
Now ask yourself if this has been an ongoing thing for years why is this the first time we are hearing about it, why did it take John Cleese to print it off and take it into the studio like a billboard to highlight it?
I'm not going to convince you ^^^^ and that's just fine, trying is just running round in circles denying the truth and asking for other proof when it disagrees with you.
You have yet to make a case at all.
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Right. As i said before, an example is Assad, he is a secularist, Damascus is full of Christians, Moderate Muslims of all sects and even some Jews, there are some, quite a lot of 'Traditional?' Muslims who don't like Christians or Jews or even different factions of their own kind.
To keep them from creating hell you need a strong leader to rule, a dictator because a lot of these people are living in a seventh century ideology, Hussain, Gaddafi.... same regional problems same dictatorial yes bumholes to control them and if you want to know what happens when you remove those strong Men look no further than Iraq and Libya post those dictators, they are at eachothers throats and moderate secular people are the ones doing all the bleeding and dying.
Pragmatism, something the hard left doesn't understand, Lefties are driven by emotion.
These people who call themselves Syrian democrats and the opposition are not our friends, they are not nice people but what they are is smart, they understand the guilt and self flagellation lefties engage in and they take advantage of their idiosyncrasies, so they all get thousands of £ UK media donated equipment to propagandise their fake intent to get us to help them and organisations like the BBC and CH4 buy it hock line and sinker.
These western leftist organisations with their catastrophic lack of understanding of the real world and blind do gooder nonsenses are dangerous.
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Edited my Post ^^^
I said mainstream media used pollsters that predicted a Hillary and Remain Victory , they based their arguments upon the data to provided to the public, the same data producers who miss predicted everyother electoral event in recent times.
If you want to disagree with that there is no materials that anyone can produce to prove themselves, its not about that. if you want to remember history and todays facts differently no one call help you, look out of the window, you shouldn't need my help.
And with that how do you prove Trump coverage is not entirely negative? that's the proposition that i'm putting to you, now if you think i'm wrong about that the burden of prof is with you, give me some BBC news reports that are positive about Trump, or Brexit.
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Ok.
US unemployment rates at their lower ever under Trump https://tradingeconomics.com/united-states/unemployment-rate
Unemployment amongst blacks is also at its lowest under Trump since records began, not a very good racist.
https://money.cnn.com/2018/06/01/news/economy/black-unemployment-rate-record-low/index.html
https://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.nr0.htm
I guess all of that protectionism as opposed to globalism is in fact working. Maybe we should take the same approach?
I put it to you there is a correlation between the slump in migration since the Brexit vote and our current low unemployment.
I think Trump is looking after his own, as opposed to Mexicans.
Again, we should do the same.
Nothing about Black unemployment? is any of it on the BBC's main news outlets? ^^^^
The financial crisis is what's caused that mound in the middle of that chart, 2016 / 2017 (Brexit) we have the lowest unemployment on that record.
I put it to you that it's been coming down for 7 years and the Brexit vote has nothing to do with it
I back this up with actual factual statistics:
The financial crisis is what's caused that mound in the middle of that chart, 2016 / 2017 (Brexit) we have the lowest unemployment on that record.
Economic recovery ^^^^
My opinion? They are not having to compete with international economic migration quite so much.
My opinion? They are not having to compete with international economic migration quite so much.
Here or in the US?
For the US it wouldn't difficult to find out, certainly there is a lot of noise about trying to stop Trump trying to stop people migrating.
For the UK, yes. https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...ion-of-eu-nationals-to-britain-falls-by-75000
In my view it stands to reason that when you have less competition from international economic migration your own population fares better and you reduce your own unemployment.
Anyway i'm off for some dinner
Are you just trying to wind me up D.P 
or do you believe the crap you just hammered out?
or do you believe the crap you just hammered out?
I'd be interested to know how many mainstream media advocates in here know of Carl Benjamin, Ben Shapiro, Steven Crowder. Even Jordan B Perterson, Milo Yiannopoulos or Katie Hopkins.....
Christopher Hitchens proudly described himself as a Marxist and that should tell you all you need to know about his politics.
Are you a Marxist Johno please? what is it with the hard left always putting forward the hard left as the righteous authority? the guy was a dangerous idiot.
Its why, those ideas, that the middle east is now a total basket case and the rest of us have to deal with the fallout.
Good comeback but the point is the other side of the coin doesn't exist for conformists, socialists are by nature conformists.
Are you a Marxist Johno please? what is it with the hard left always putting forward the hard left as the righteous authority? the guy was a dangerous idiot.
Its why, those ideas, that the middle east is now a total basket case and the rest of us have to deal with the fallout.
I expect so. That's why they're mainstream media advocates.
Good comeback
but the point is the other side of the coin doesn't exist for conformists, socialists are by nature conformists.
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Well you behave like one pushing forward far left reasoning as if its the only truth.
I never said any of these dictators are / were nice but some factions amongst their populations are far worse and since we are unwilling to commit ourselves to governing those regions with our own peace persuasion methods its simply pragmatic to leave those who know what they are doing in place.
After seeing the effects of removing Hussain and Gaddafi the west will leave Assad to it and like it.
For sure he's a provocateur and i do agree that side of him needs to be toned down a little.
I asked because of Christopher Hitchens self identified politics, if you don't like being quizzed about your politics don't put forward people hard-line political views as an authoritative commentator.