Dodge Challenger AWD !!!

Mal, your ramblings are even confusing yourself now. And they are so off topic it's untrue.

Fox's original point that the current Challenger is simply a two-door version of the Charger is absolutely true. It's not just a few shared components: they are very much related. It would not be correct to call them 'entirely separate'.

Ignoring price, to answer Acme's question, the key one that was missed from the list mentioned earlier is the Cadillacs. Many of these are as good (if not better in some ways) than the European equivalents, particularly the ATS.

And a V6 AWD Challenger makes perfect sense given the demand for AWD in the snow states. In fact it's the perfect answer: it provides an AWD derivative for the most popular engines (and ones that folk drive every day), while preserving RWD for the muscle cars.
 
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Apart from the Mustang, no american car interests me. Either aren't sold here - like the ATS - or are either hideous to look at or look like they're completely plastic and will fall apart (and too big) on British roads.
 
Think about what you just said, and your latest car move! :D

I didn't say its all that matters, but for a lot of people, yourself and myself included, it is very important.
 
Joe T said:
Mal, your ramblings are even confusing yourself now. And they are so off topic it's untrue.

Fox's original point that the current Challenger is simply a two-door version of the Charger is absolutely true. It's not just a few shared components: they are very much related. It would not be correct to call them 'entirely separate'.

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both cars are very similar because they share the same components, but different because one is 4 door and the other 2 door.

the Challenger is a 2 door Charger ! ...........this is the same as saying a 2 door Ford Capri is a 4 door Cortina, a Challenger is nothing like a Charger, it's also for a totally different type of buyer..............if there is a mistake, it's putting the Hellcat engine in the Charger, it's a total waste of time in such a heavy car.

it's not me that's derailed the thread, it's Gibbo coming here and mentioning his damned Mustang.
 
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I still dont think you understand. They took the same platform, shortened the wheelbase, took off two doors and changed the styling. The 'hard points' are otherwise the same.

It's not the same components, it's an adaption of the same platform (they took the LX platform a shortened it for the LC platform). You need to look past what you can see, and look underneath.

So yes they did the above to appeal to a different type of buyer, but underneath they are very similar indeed. Certainly not 'totally separate'.
 
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I still dont think you understand. They took the same platform, shortened the wheelbase, took off two doors and changed the styling. The 'hard points' are otherwise the same.

It's not the same components, it's an adaption of the same platform (they took the LX platform a shortened it for the LC platform). You need to look past what you can see, and look underneath.

So yes they did the above to appeal to a different type of buyer, but underneath they are very similar indeed. Certainly not 'totally separate'.
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i would say that's a totally different car, because those are massive changes......they dont just remove 2 doors do they, there's about 3 years complicated design work there

the Challenger looks and behaves nothing like a Charger, it is indeed similar to a Ford Capri and a Cortina, they share many components but at heart they are totally different cars.
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Mal X said:
the Challenger is a 2 door Charger ! ...........this is the same as saying a 2 door Ford Capri is a 4 door Cortina,
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It's like saying a 4 Series is a two door 3 Series or a Ford Cougar is a 2 door Mondeo.

a Challenger is nothing like a Charger, it's also for a totally different type of buyer.............
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Have you driven either of these cars? It's 'very much like' rather than 'nothing like'. You seem to be taking this as a criticism against the Challenger - it's not at all.

.if there is a mistake, it's putting the Hellcat engine in the Charger, it's a total waste of time in such a heavy car.
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Where are these opinions of yours coming from? The Charger and the Challenger are as near as makes no difference identical in terms of weight. If the Hellcat engine is a 'waste of time in such a heavy car' than this applies equal to the Challenger, as it weighs basically the same.

Challenger Hellcat: 2015kg
Charger Hellcat: 2068kg

Neither cars are, or are intended to be, lightweight. They are both very much heavyweight, but then Muscle cars were never about ultra lightweight tech, they were about muscle, and muscle overcomes mass in a straight line.
 
[TW]Fox;29986353 said:
It's like saying a 4 Series is a two door 3 Series or a Ford Cougar is a 2 door Mondeo.



Have you driven either of these cars? It's 'very much like' rather than 'nothing like'. You seem to be taking this as a criticism against the Challenger - it's not at all.



Where are these opinions of yours coming from? The Charger and the Challenger are as near as makes no difference identical in terms of weight. If the Hellcat engine is a 'waste of time in such a heavy car' than this applies equal to the Challenger, as it weighs basically the same.

Challenger Hellcat: 2015kg
Charger Hellcat: 2068kg

Neither cars are, or are intended to be, lightweight. They are both very much heavyweight, but then Muscle cars were never about ultra lightweight tech, they were about muscle, and muscle overcomes mass in a straight line.
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this 4 door Charger unlike the original Charger, is not your traditional muscle car, the Hellcat is best suited to an ``old school`` muscle car.

it's not the Challenger that's wrong, it's trying to make the Charger into a muscle car that's wrong to me..........the Charger should never have had 4 doors, it should have been called something else........it's not a true descendant of the original.

i havent driven either no, but i have owned a Firebird formula 400, a Superbee Roadrunner and a Dodge Dart Magnum..............not all muscle cars were heavy, but the Dodge's were....esp the Roadrunner :eek:
 
Ryan-3 said:
. or are either hideous to look at or look like they're completely plastic and will fall apart (and too big) on British roads.
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no, not at all................my main complaint with the Muscle car is...............if the 440 Chrysler fits easily into a MK2 Cortina, why was the Roadrunner so God damn huge...yes i know why, but it doesn't half look wrong when you've been spending the previous 2 hours looking at Evos etc.......you go onto a yank site and say ``flipping heck that muscle car is way too big``

anyway that's enough or i'll get called a ``troll`` soon ;););)
 
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ttaskmaster said:
At this stage in my driving career, it doesn't really matter what TLAs something has as long as it looks pretty and goes fast enough that I don't miss my motorcycles too much!! :D
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Unfortunately you wont be able to get that AWD Challenger here in the U.K, you'll need to go over there and buy it and get it imported + VAT etc.

but it's deffo the best version for U.K roads.............my guess is it'll handle very well, simply because Chrysler and Chevrolet are well aware of the competition............Subaru and Ford, the WRX STI is extremely popular over there..... and so will the RS
 
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Don't forget that much of North America gets a significant amount of snowfall in winter - in some of the Northern states AWD cars outsell RWD ones by a significant margin. Almost every BMW you see in Vermont or New Hampshire is an XDrive model.
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At the moment someone with or looking for something challenger like will probably also have a truck (or some form of SUV) and store the challenger in the garage over winter. Save them from killing themselves with loss of traction and also saves the car from being destroyed by salt (where used) or stone chips. At least that's the case around here.

I guess the aim is, as you say, to allow people to use it year round. Some will get it, wipe others will still have a Ram truck for winter use.
 
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