Does credit score go up when a ccj is removed?

That sounds like the lenders do their own internal scoring of applications rather than relying on a score created by a credit reference company?

Which of the credit scores did you use? I've used ClearScore and Experian before and they both had very different numbers. Do you average them out?

It depends if you approach it from a single or multi bureau perspective but most lenders look at multi bureau. The different credit reference agencies do provide insight in to what the score and the score distributions are, and how they can be utilised.

Lenders do generate their own internal scoring, but where theres no client history they do have to rely a lot more heavily on the external credit agency data, of which the score is important.
 
To be honest as time goes by, the affect the CCJ has on you goes down so chances are you friend's score is probably already better now than when it was when they first got the CCJ. Also paying it off and having it marked as satisfied helps.
 
To be honest as time goes by, the affect the CCJ has on you goes down so chances are you friend's score is probably already better now than when it was when they first got the CCJ. Also paying it off and having it marked as satisfied helps.
Oh and so in other words, you are saying it probably won't go up?
 
Now i could have taken this and run with it, my attitude clearly doesnt stink, I was correcting information that was given incorrectly to the OP. I may have been a little sarcastic in my first reply, but its pretty clear i was informing you that lenders DO use the score.

You said the scores are overrated, implying as well that just because the credit agencies dont lend money that the score doesnt mean much. You then followed up by saying that the score is NOT used by lenders.

Application and behavioural score cards are sets of rules and characteristics that are compiled together that applications are scored against by lenders to determine credit worthiness and to underpin the decision to lend.

Hopefully this clears up that scores are use and do mean something.

It depends on the lender, I have worked in agreeing loans and mortgages since 2006, 5 mortgage lenders and one car finance.

With the car finance they didn't look at the credit scores at all, they did Experian consumer searches (so the same score you would see as general public logging on) but this was completely ignored, every single application was manually searched and assessed and that one one of the larger car finance companies in the UK.

First mortgage lender which doesn't exist anymore after 2008 used internal scoring, you are probably correct in the fact that the Equifax/Experian (would have been one of the two or both it was many years ago now) had some bearing on that one.

Second mortgage lender was completely manual, credit score was ignored.

Third mortgage lender as above.

Forth was score based, but the system didn't look at the credit scores, it would assess the credit Vs criteria automatically. So for example, if the criteria at the time was 3 missed payments on a credit card was acceptable, it would accept someone who had 3 or less, reject more than 3. It would do this across all the various types/agreements. There were also a whole ton of other triggers and scoring criteria that was but in but not based on any credit score, as such.

5th lender that I am working for now use a bit of both, it uses Equifax, and only Equifax and uses the MGILF 04 score, which I dont believe, is the same score Jo public would see if they logged on and credit searched themselves.

It then does the same as above with the various credit agreements although the scoring system is pretty basic after that, and most are manually checked.

Further to that, with every lender without exception, every loan or mortgage that would potentially be agreed was manually checked, the scoring system would only kick out at DIP ( decision in principal) or AIP (agreement in principle) without it ever seeing a human, and even then if your application was declined automatically at the first stage, you could call in to get this double checked, infact, I'm not 100% sure but I think this is part of regulation that a lender must do this if requested.

To summarise though, I do think those credit scores people see when they log on to check themselves are very much marketing ******** and borderline missleading, the credit reference agencies use it to make money, and may or may not have any bearing at all to whether they be agreed finance.

Particularly when I was working at the car finance place we would have a laugh at that Experian consumer score because it often got it very wrong. It was also very harsh against people with little credit, people get concerned about lack of credit but provided you are on the voters roll which helps traceability, as a human assessing these things lack of credit isn't a detriment, it just shows someone didn't need to borrow money, that isn't a bad thing. It really depends on the overall circumstances which is something a credit sesrch alone simply cannot assess. That's why you have humans looking at these things.

It all depends on the lender though, I am not saying that some lenders don't assess based on those consumer scores, because I have not worked at every lender in the UK, I've no doubt that many of the really big ones probably do, because they can afford to take a hit on the irregularities that credit searches and scores sometimes bring back that a human will catch.
 
The bottom line here is that your credit score does matter, it isn't just an irrelevant number that no one uses. Its part of an application.

From your experience you're heavily focused on secured lending, be that car finance or mortgage lending, both of which vary in the amount of automation, and human involved decisioning, where the credit score will may play a smaller role in the application outcome. As you say, there is system scoring involved where a DIP or AIP is kicked out, it is within this system decisioning that the credit score would be used.

From an underwriter perspective, you wouldn't get involved in the process until after such a point, be that from a view of reviewing the application as it was declined by a system decision or that the system wouldn't offer what the applicant needed, or that the system has requested further proofs to support the application. All of this is past the point at which the application has been run through the system scorecard, using the credit score as one characteristic.

Also secured lending is different again to unsecured lending, the scale of the loans, the process by which the lender has to access the security and risk of the lend as well. When you move in to the area of unsecured personal lending e.g. loans, credit cards, overdrafts, automated end to end decisioning is very much more common place. This is where credit scores will be more impactful. It is regulation that every applicant can request a manual review of their application, that is covered in the GDPR regulation now, but may have previously been covered else where.

In terms of your point about people with a lack of credit not being a detriment, it actually is. Just because someone hasn't needed credit doesn't mean that they could afford credit when they do need it. So a proven track record of managing credit is better then no record at all. The human involvement in application processes is there to help make more detailed assessments but the % of manually underwritten decision is a significantly smaller % then automated decision, and even in mortgage lending, the involvement of the human review is less around what the system is willing to lend, and more around support for what is already being requested.
 
And then there is people like me who have no credit score at all because, according to every credit checking website, I simply do not exist. Despite being native English as far back as I'm able to research, living in this country, being educated in this country, working and paying tax/NI in this country, getting and paying off a mortgage in this country, having bank accounts and holding credit cards in this country and being on the electoral roll since I was old enough to vote I still don't exist according to these sites.

I get this, it seems like details dont tally up or are incomplete. I either get to a point and cant continue or get an error. It has never really been an issue with mortgages etc though. I guess anyone trying to add bad stuff will run in to the same issue which is fine by me :p

Credit score is just a way for corporations to bypass the legal system and bully people tbh
 
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I get this, it seems like details dont tally up or are incomplete. I either get to a point and cant continue or get an error. It has never really been an issue with mortgages etc though. I guess anyone trying to add bad stuff will run in to the same issue which is fine by me :p

Credit score is just a way for corporations to bypass the legal system and bully people tbh
Lol sure, so using something to make sure they are lending responsibly is bullying....maybe you need to have a word with the regulators that stipulate the requirements of application processes and how customers and data are treated.
 
As pointed out, I may have worded it incorrectly but this score is just an indicator of credit as seen by the credit reference agency, that score is NOT what is used by lenders.

Indeed and different lenders score things differently. I used to work for one of the credit agencies processing credit card applications for various banks.

Some banks would give extra points for you having lots of other credit cards, some banks reduced points for that.

Every application was set up differently for different lenders. So the same person could apply for one and be turned down and yet get accepted by a different lender because they scored things differently.

So its always more than your credit score as the number of years you have lived in the same place or owning your own home always gave you more points.

Even your job title gave you different points.

So your "credit score" by these online agencies is just an indicative score of your credit file. Not a total score used in any application.

Things may have changed now but back then students and armed forces got an automatic acceptance for credit cards no matter what the score came back on the application details.
 
Oh and so in other words, you are saying it probably won't go up?

Yes it will go up once the CCJ has dropped off. What I'm saying is the affect of the CCJ wears down as it gets older, and come card companies like Capital One and NewDay will give credit cards to folk with older CCJs.
 
Lol sure, so using something to make sure they are lending responsibly is bullying....maybe you need to have a word with the regulators that stipulate the requirements of application processes and how customers and data are treated.

Badly considering these databases keep getting hacked and inconsistent data thrown around.
 
One thing is for sure, lenders don't lend just because you have a big fat number at the top of your report saying 999 or something. They all use their own criteria.
 
Wouldn't worry about the score.

It's what's in the report that matters.
If the ccj is no longer there the lenders won't see it.

Remember, they don't look at the 'score' they will take the data from it, like credit utilisation, number of accounts, number of missed payemtns.. And approve or reject.



The score has some use. But mine goes down when I take out a new phone contract, or shift to a new 0 percent Balance card.

Usually, that score rewards stability.. If you never change banks etc it'll be higher than if you do.
 
Thanks all, as usual, you've all be engaging and informative. Has anyone actually had a ccj removed if so, how many points did you gain, he's very preoccupied with the points .. I know it's clear that other things also matter, but the points is what he's mainly interested in ...
 
Thanks all, as usual, you've all be engaging and informative. Has anyone actually had a ccj removed if so, how many points did you gain, he's very preoccupied with the points .. I know it's clear that other things also matter, but the points is what he's mainly interested in ...

Depends what the rest of the credit record is like? Does he have any defaults and missed payments? Usually folk with CCJ's have other things besides the CCJ.
 
Depends what the rest of the credit record is like? Does he have any defaults and missed payments? Usually folk with CCJ's have other things besides the CCJ.
No defaults. By chance a few years ago, he asked me to be his guarantor when he was trying to rent a property, that conversation helped him a lot because I was then able to findout that he never really cared about his credit score. He was earning good money, but he had bad credit history. So over the last years, he's managed to tighten things and he has no defaults, but just the ccj and a few missed payments, on one account he had forgotten about.
 
People are right to say that the actual number you get doesn't matter, but it's a representation of you underlying credit report which DOES matter. It's a bit like benchmarking your PC, sometimes you might get a A+ rating because your GPU is particuarly good at a certain game, but if you keep getting an F- it probably means your system isn't up to it anymore. It's the same with a credt rating, it's an arbitary score based on your credit report and whilst the precise number really doesn't matter it's a strong indicator of your finance health (with certain exceptions - like those that never take out any credit).
 
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