does Hell exist?

Kobrakai · 6 Dec 2008 at 20:54

Logic and common sense VS fantasy and speculation...

I know which side im on.

Inquisitor · 6 Dec 2008 at 20:54

mrk said:
Evidence is proof.

I guess all those falsely convicted 'criminals' are in fact criminals, then! Phew! There was evidence against them, after all.

BigglesPiP · 6 Dec 2008 at 20:57

Inquisitor said:
I guess all those falsely convicted 'criminals' are in fact criminals, then! Phew! There was evidence against them, after all.

On the basis of your previous posts, you are suggesting that all convicted criminals are in fact innocent.

The legal system is a lot like the scientific community, it's not perfect, but you suggest something better...

Inquisitor · 6 Dec 2008 at 20:59

BigglesPiP said:
On the basis of your previous posts, you are suggesting that all convicted criminals are in fact innocent.

How so?

My argument thus far has been that denial of the existence of God is irrational. Of course, assertion of the existence of God is irrational in the same way.

There's nothing wrong with taking either view, just as long as you accept it as such and don't try to pass it off as 'rational'.

Personally, I don't believe in any kind of god, but I accept that this is just a bias of mine that has no basis in reason, and that there may just as well be a god, for all I know.

^^Gord^^ · 6 Dec 2008 at 21:02

I don't believe there is a heaven or hell.

The whole religion thing was started (I believe) to give people standards, a code if you like, to live by. Heaven / hell is just part of that; to encourage people to keep to the standards.

I don't there is anything waiting for us in the 'after life'.

Richdog · 6 Dec 2008 at 21:06

david.n.c said:
Correct there was no link excluding Hitlers attempt to wipe the Jews off the face of the planet, but what I mean is conflict, often a result of religion (historically anyway) can result in future advances for humans as a race.

I'm sure as a result of the ongoing conflict between the Israel and Palistine some technological advances have come about, via R&D and a desire to "win" the conflict.

I guess war generates an immediate high spend in researching technology.

Ok yeah agree completely there... wars propvide a rapid advancement of R&D but the problem is that it's mainly for military purposes... and while very good things come out of it (jet engine etc), until we start combining our resources and working towards a common goal and forget conflict and racial differences (think Star Trek-esque) we are never really going to go as far as we could as quickly.

MikeHunt79 · 6 Dec 2008 at 21:11

Yep, it says "Great Yarmouth" as you go in! :eek:

dangerstat · 6 Dec 2008 at 21:24

I dunno but I was in Gloucester today and if hell's any worse than that I'm starting praying NOW

steve-h · 6 Dec 2008 at 21:37

why would you believe in hell?

same reason you believe in jesus, god, santa, tooth fairy...

Skull · 6 Dec 2008 at 21:39

Inquisitor said:
How so?

My argument thus far has been that denial of the existence of God is irrational. Of course, assertion of the existence of God is irrational in the same way.

There's nothing wrong with taking either view, just as long as you accept it as such and don't try to pass it off as 'rational'.

Personally, I don't believe in any kind of god, but I accept that this is just a bias of mine that has no basis in reason, and that there may just as well be a god, for all I know.

Denying it is irrational on a semantic level. Its technically irrational. Looking at the evidence and concluding that god doesn't exist isn't irrational in the real world.

Strife212 · 6 Dec 2008 at 21:40

AcidHell2 said:
witchcraft doesn't need a god as I understand it and devil worship and paganism are not related.

No, but the article says both, of course its very possible that it's just poorly written

Glaucus · 6 Dec 2008 at 21:41

Skull said:
Looking at the evidence and concluding that god doesn't exist isn't irrational in the real world.

of course it's irrational, how can you test for a God or Gods when you have no idea what you are looking for.

Glaucus · 6 Dec 2008 at 21:43

Strife212 said:
No, but the article says both, of course its very possible that it's just poorly written

poorly written or she believes in both..

But really it's not anything to do with the main point. Of does hell exist in the religious meaning and the bible. Not what do people believe.

Ascendancy · 6 Dec 2008 at 21:49

What? Of course there's no hell. Anyone who bases their beliefs on a book written thousands of years ago to keep their kids entertained on the long donkey ride back from Jerusalem, is quite frankly, an idiot.

Are we going to be worshiping our saviour of Mordor Frodo Baggins in a thousand years? :rolleyes:

Richdog · 6 Dec 2008 at 21:53

Ascendancy said:
Are we going to be worshiping our saviour of Mordor Frodo Baggins in a thousand years?

I'm sorry... are you saying Frodo doesn't exist?

Bounc3 · 6 Dec 2008 at 21:58

cman said:
Such as...

Well, natural selection for one thing, I don't see how anyone can deny that as being true as a general, the animals that have the best traits to live on do as such.

And as for genetic mutation, everything else in our body has the potential to mess up, why not DNA?

Evolution, it kind of makes sense mate.

Inquisitor · 6 Dec 2008 at 21:58

Skull said:
Denying it is irrational on a semantic level. Its technically irrational. Looking at the evidence and concluding that god doesn't exist isn't irrational in the real world.

How would evidence of a god's existence/non-existence manifest itself in the real world?

Edit: I'm talking about an abstract god here; not necessarily the Christian god.

Inquisitor · 6 Dec 2008 at 22:00

Bounc3 said:
Well, natural selection for one thing, I don't see how anyone can deny that as being true as a general, the animals that have the best traits to live on do as such.

And as for genetic mutation, everything else in our body has the potential to mess up, why not DNA?

Evolution, it kind of makes sense mate.

Evolution and Christianity are not necessarily incompatible, providing you interpret Genesis allegorically (as the vast majority of Christians would).

leaskovski · 6 Dec 2008 at 22:34

If god exists then he would have given me a girlfriend to goose every night. As it stands this isnt the case and thus he doesnt exist.

BigglesPiP · 6 Dec 2008 at 22:52

Inquisitor said:
There's nothing wrong with taking either view, just as long as you accept it as such and don't try to pass it off as 'rational'.

I disagree, it is rational to not believe there is a god. Just because this being for which there is no evidence is well established, does not give him/her/it precedence over the flying spaghetti monster, in who it is irrational to believe.