does Hell exist?

Gilo · 6 Dec 2008 at 23:28

AcidHell2 said:
poorly written or she believes in both..

But really it's not anything to do with the main point. Of does hell exist in the religious meaning and the bible. Not what do people believe.

Avoiding all religious arguments and from a biblical perspective, I suppose you could look at Genesis 1:1 no mention of hell there.

cman · 7 Dec 2008 at 00:45

Pilky01 said:
I believe in science, logic and common sense. There is no god, no heaven or hell.

Where did logic come from? Are you saying people who do not believe in evolution can't be scientists, are illogical and have no common sense?

Do you believe there somehow was nothing and one day everything exploded and after billions of years we are where we are today? That, in my view, is not scientific, not very logical and makes no sense at all. It contradicts quite a few laws, such as the first and second laws of thermodynamics.

Evolution only tries to explain one creature evolving from another, but where did the first self-replicating cell come from? And, that is an extreme amount of information gain...which is something you do not observe in nature. Creatures adapt/change within the limits of their DNA, new information is not added to the code as they "evolve".

How do you explain DNA? DNA is the most compelling evidence for an intelligent designer in the universe. Nature creates patterns, not information.

Do yourselves a favour and research the complexity of DNA and you will be amazed. It is literally a code/laguage. Think of it as binary code, but with a four digit chemical code instead of 1s and 0s. Are you telling me this happened by chance?

IMHO evolutionists have more faith (substance of things hoped for, evidence of things not seen) than people who believe in a creator.

cman out

^^Gord^^ · 7 Dec 2008 at 00:50

A interesting reply cman but who created the creator?

cman · 7 Dec 2008 at 00:51

Bounc3 said:
Well, natural selection for one thing, I don't see how anyone can deny that as being true as a general, the animals that have the best traits to live on do as such.

And as for genetic mutation, everything else in our body has the potential to mess up, why not DNA?

Evolution, it kind of makes sense mate.

Natural selection just results in the survival of the species by the "fittest of the bunch" mating. It does not, however, result in a new species. Evolutionists now admit that natural selection alone cannot explain evolution, but a combination of natural selection and mutation (as you suggested) explains it. The thing is there is NOT ONE example of an improved specimen resulting from genetic mutation...it's always worse off than before.

strudey · 7 Dec 2008 at 00:54

cman said:
Where did logic come from? Are you saying people who do not believe in evolution can't be scientists, are illogical and have no common sense?

Do you believe there somehow was nothing and one day everything exploded and after billions of years we are where we are today? That, in my view, is not scientific, not very logical and makes no sense at all. It contradicts quite a few laws, such as the first and second laws of thermodynamics.

Evolution only tries to explain one creature evolving from another, but where did the first self-replicating cell come from? And, that is an extreme amount of information gain...which is something you do not observe in nature. Creatures adapt/change within the limits of their DNA, new information is not added to the code as they "evolve".

How do you explain DNA? DNA is the most compelling evidence for an intelligent designer in the universe. Nature creates patterns, not information.

Do yourselves a favour and research the complexity of DNA and you will be amazed. It is literally a code/laguage. Think of it as binary code, but with a four digit chemical code instead of 1s and 0s. Are you telling me this happened by chance?

IMHO evolutionists have more faith (substance of things hoped for, evidence of things not seen) than people who believe in a creator.

cman out

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Jono8 · 7 Dec 2008 at 01:04

The honest answer is that we don't know, and we will never know, for to find out that religion/god/heaven/hell is irrefutebly real would mean the end of humanity.

and God wouldnt want that would he...

Robosapien · 7 Dec 2008 at 01:58

I think it exists in the mind, (Read Jean-Paul Sartre, No Exit). If your external environment drops below that required to sustain basic physiological needs then I think that can be pretty torturous too. I think the idea of hell evolved from observing volcano eruptions. I don't think it exists in the religious sense, I think it's just a case of switch-off.

LeJosh · 7 Dec 2008 at 02:58

I'd like to say what you define hell is, lakes of fire etc. etc. That's someone elses interpretation. I'd go by what my definition is, like lapland.

Or in the desert with no clothes and very little water. Believe what you want to believe. It's scare mongering to me though.

Andrew1978 · 7 Dec 2008 at 03:15

No, religion (heaven and hell included) was created as a tool to control the masses and i'm glad it was, as i believe it transformed us from being savages and helped form a liveable society but now people have embraced the majority of the principles or at least the important ones i don't see a need for it anymore.

As for heaven and hell i believe it's because god gave us free will and as a result we need a corresponding result or destination of our actions God doesn't punish us, we have a choice and are free to punish ourselves.

Kristoph · 7 Dec 2008 at 03:28

No heaven or hell.

Just eternal darkness and lack of consciousness.

Gone, dust to the wind.

IMO.

But...

"To the well organized mind, death is but the next great adventure". And when I know my time has come I wont fight it, I'll look forward to jumping into the unknown.

Nix · 7 Dec 2008 at 03:29

I think some of you lot really should invest in Richard Dawkins' The Blind Watchmaker. You clearly don't understand the process or the theory enough if you're suggesting it's either perfect, or illogical.

silversurfer · 7 Dec 2008 at 03:30

Hell is a place of each mans own creation, it definitly exists

Andrew1978 · 7 Dec 2008 at 03:37

Nix said:
I think some of you lot really should invest in Richard Dawkins' The Blind Watchmaker.

going to watch it now, hope its interesting

hmm 2mins in and it just seems more religion vs evolution claptrap : /

snowdog · 7 Dec 2008 at 03:39

''does Hell exist?''

I certainly hope not

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That's all I have to say about it really

. I don't like thinking about death, it's all just mind boggling if you start to think about questions like that ( like what's there after death, how did it all start, what's the point of living, is there heaven/hell, if so how did it get there, who made it, where did the creator come from, etcetc...).

Nix · 7 Dec 2008 at 03:47

Andrew1978 said:
going to watch it now, hope its interesting

hmm 2mins in and it just seems more religion vs evolution claptrap : /

Watch? I meant the book.

Andrew1978 · 7 Dec 2008 at 04:02

While he might go into greater detail, i doubt the documentary he made with the same title deviates far from the subject matter in his book.

just finished watching it, eyes, dinosaurs, fossils, wings, computer programs, general evolution stuff. Not going to say it wasn't interesting but for a 21yr old documentary i didn't see anything new

Dont get me wrong he does (did?) put forward a good argument for evolution.

Angilion · 7 Dec 2008 at 05:42

AcidHell2 said:
witchcraft doesn't need a god as I understand it and devil worship and paganism are not related.

That has often struck me as bizarre...why would anyone think that a pagan would be worshipping an entity from Christianity? It's like a Christian worshipping Set - not going to happen, doesn't make any sense.

dbmzk1 · 7 Dec 2008 at 05:50

Yes, hell does exist. It's called work

Robosapien · 7 Dec 2008 at 05:51

Angilion said:
That has often struck me as bizarre...why would anyone think that a pagan would be worshipping an entity from Christianity? It's like a Christian worshipping Set - not going to happen, doesn't make any sense.

It was probably down to slanderring by Christians. Not that I know anything about it much.

Colbaker · 7 Dec 2008 at 11:07

I don't believe in Heaven or Hell as it is writen in the Bible but i do believe in a higher power, The higher power not being a guy in the clouds with a white beard but something more scientific that we do not understand yet (and maybe never will).

I do believe the "soul" also carries on after the body is dead but don't really have a theory on what happens to it.

If there was 1 world wide religion then i may believe in that version of the bible more than i do any now, there are so many different books all teaching different things so which one is correct?, If i were to write a book on what i believe in and then other people agreed with that book then surely that would then become another religion, this does not actually make what i write to be true, Maybe i am writing the book to scare people into doing what i think is "the right thing"