Does something need to be done about dogs?
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Council estate guy behind us breeds these things in his flat, sold a huge one to a first time dog owner in a guy who lives in front of us 
He’s literally bought it as a status symbol, gangsta wanna be with a Gucci man purse and cap getting walked by the dog with a blinged out chain.
They need banning and humanely euthanising the current crop.
Watching that vid feel sorry for that dog, it’s just doing what it does, probably scared with all those people and noises. It’s in a environment where it doesn’t belong and will be put down because of a terrible owner.
Perhaps if they put the owners down too we can prevent unnecessary harm coming to animals. Jokes of coarse
He’s literally bought it as a status symbol, gangsta wanna be with a Gucci man purse and cap getting walked by the dog with a blinged out chain.
They need banning and humanely euthanising the current crop.
Watching that vid feel sorry for that dog, it’s just doing what it does, probably scared with all those people and noises. It’s in a environment where it doesn’t belong and will be put down because of a terrible owner.
Perhaps if they put the owners down too we can prevent unnecessary harm coming to animals. Jokes of coarse
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He breeds them in his flat..... JesusCouncil estate guy behind us breeds these things in his flat, sold a huge one to a first time dog owner in a guy who lives in front of us
He’s literally bought it as a status symbol, gangsta wanna be with a Gucci man purse and cap getting walked by the dog with a blinged out chain.
They need banning and humanely euthanising the current crop.
Watching that vid feel sorry for that dog, it’s just doing what it does, probably scared with all those people and noises. It’s in a environment where it doesn’t belong and will be put down because of a terrible owner.
Perhaps if they put the owners down too we can prevent unnecessary harm coming to animals. Jokes of coarse
Council estate guy behind us breeds these things in his flat, sold a huge one to a first time dog owner in a guy who lives in front of us
He’s literally bought it as a status symbol, gangsta wanna be with a Gucci man purse and cap getting walked by the dog with a blinged out chain.
I guess as soon as they get added to the banned dog's list (labour have said they'll do it if the Tories don't) then you can report him to the police and they'll have to get neutered... that will ruin his little breeding operation.
It's mad to keep a dog like that in a flat anyway, let alone run a breeding operation from one. Just thinking of my mum's dog and how often it wants/needs to go into the garden in addition to 2-3 walks a day, flats don't seem suitable at all except for small dogs.
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I saw the headline before they had named the breed of dog. ... colour me surprised!.
it isn't the dogs fault but the bottom line is they are not fit to be in civilised society...... I do have some sympathy but they can't be controlled.... and even if the owner is a good one and keeps em muzzled in public and always on a lead at all times (which is no way for a dog to live imo)..... kids will be kids and even if technically the child would be at fault ,.sometimes kids will hedge hop to get a ball back or what ever, and even then it would not be acceptable for a dog to maul a kid.
there is no place for them and I would see them all forcibly neutered and no new ones be allowed into the country.
all dogs can be nasty even ones often considered soft but you have to be blind to not see that some are inherently more unstable than others.
Ban these dogs and the people that breed and sell them to unfit owners they will just pick another breed to do the same. Already 4 banned breeds I think in the UK, dog attacks still high, highest arent they ever so whats changed? nothing as nothing is being done about the people looking after these dogs.
It won't change banning the Bully XL and you know it.
Pretty sure if there was tough prison sentencing for attacks by out of control dogs that haven't been properly trained we would see less of these dogs and more properly trained dogs.
It won't change banning the Bully XL and you know it.
Pretty sure if there was tough prison sentencing for attacks by out of control dogs that haven't been properly trained we would see less of these dogs and more properly trained dogs.
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I don't disagree with everything you said.... it's a bit like arguing guns don't kill people, people who fire them do.
I am more than happy to punish the breeders and dodgy owners AND ban the worst offending dogs as well. it.does not need to be an either/or.
however with prisons ... I think it was 98% full I read and prosecutions for traditional Crimes falling due to the system failing, I have no faith that it will happen.
Some of the dog regulations are weird - my cousin has a dog, I'm not sure the breed, medium size black curly hair with tan undercoat, which is very strictly regulated for the dog's wellbeing - they can't be sold on you have to buy them from someone authorised and it has to go back to them if you can't keep it for any reason, etc. yet other dogs with worse known wellbeing/health conditions aren't controlled at all let alone regulation of some breeds like mentioned in the posts above either for the dog's wellbeing or other people's.
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XL Bullys became legal, see previous mention of this, they used to be classed as a pitbull subtype (they basically are large pitbulls), that faced a legal challenge, people were allowed to breed and openly sell them and now deaths and injuries from dogs have spiked and that's mostly thanks to this one breed.
False.
XL Bully's would be banned requiring them to be neutered, and kept on a lead + muzzled in public. Breeders can no longer actively breed them without consequences as they'd be breaking the law, currently, they can be openly advertised on facebook, gumtree etc.. without any fear of consequences as they're currently legal.
Trouble is like I said above ban something and something else will be the next big thing, same if you banned guns, they will find something else to use. Its never going to stop unfortunately.
There are dogs that aren't banned in the UK that have stronger bite force are more powerful than Bully XL's so what about these? Well one of them will be the next to be talked about because the numbers of these dogs will rise after the Bully is gone.
We all know it won't stop but just continue to blame the dogs.
I've had dogs for 40+ years, Rottweilers, Doberman's, German Shepherd's to name the maybe so called dangerous ones and none have been aggressive at all. Even the German Shepherd that no one wanted at the dogs home because it was highly aggressive towards other dogs turned into a soft wet lettuce within a month of being with me so for me personally I will always stick with the owner can be the biggest problem with attacks, yes any dog can attack at any time but banning a certain type just isn't going to lower the attack numbers because banning the previous 4 hasn't lowered the numbers because the next 'dangerous dog' will appear, even though it was already here.
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I meant that comment as nothing will happen as the next so called dangerous dog breed will be in the news.
Sometimes I think just mismatch between the dog and the owner, friend of ours had a half-breed German Shepherd on his farm which was a fearsome thing barely in control, but whenever it was with me it behaved impeccably - instantly obeyed me, gentle and playful as anything and I usually don't get on with dogs. I've never really thought about it before but looking back I think the owner just didn't have the right approach/synergy with it despite having owned a lot of animals.
EDIT: Had a similar kind of thing with the GSD the owners had at my old local pub - would get teased mercilessly by the regular drunks at the bar and they seemed oblivious/uncaring that it was obviously employing a lot of restraint, when I was there it would give me this look and then come and plonk down beside me as it knew it would get left alone.
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Pretty much my thoughts too, the German Shepherd we got from the dogs home which no one wanted because it was really aggressive towards dogs turned into a big softy within a month and we didn't train it at all.
There's a previous post in here I wrote about it but basically it did attack two other dogs the first week I had it, basically pulled me straight over and attacked two dogs, did a bit of damage to one of them too. Luckily I new the person and they were understanding but within a month my dog came across these two dogs again and was totally fine with them and actually seemed more scared of them.
I hadn't took it to training or anything, it had just been around me.
Yes some will say, well that time it attacked the other dogs could have been really bad, could have been a person, well yes and no, I was at work, still had her on a lead and didn't think anyone else was about, farm land area, the other person and dogs shouldn't have been there but obviously whatever had made the dog attack other dogs was still in my dogs head.
It never went on to be aggressive towards anything and even was scared of our cat.
We have a Golden Retriever now and its the softest thing we've ever had, its actually a bit embarrassing, poor thing as its scared of everything, feather falling from the sky the other day and it ran off. Scared of water, everything. No idea what happened to it when it was younger but something bad probably, Ive actually tried to toughen this one up but its a no go.
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Only four dog types are included on the Dangerous Dogs Act and your description does not sound like any of those breeds.
Also, sale of those dogs is prohibited.
Is it an airedale? If so, they're fine dogs.
It is not a dangerous dog breed and I can't find anything from Googling, unfortunately I can't remember the dog breed.
Coat has similar texture to an airedale but build wise it is squatter and more like a Bernese Mountain dog for colourings only without the white, that area is black.
I can't find anything on Google at all related to breeding restrictions but they definitely have to jump through some hoops with that dog.
I think the problem is that simply banning them won't ever be enough, because they'll move to other breeds - or create new breeds to get around the problem. In many cases the breeds they move to - ordinarily wouldn't have been a problem.
If we brought back licensing and had mandatory insurance, the police would have (in theory*) the ability to sieze dogs which weren't licensed/insured, so there would be an extra layer of protection - before we resort to banning more and more breeds, where in many cases the breed itself wouldn't normally be a problem.
I'm basing this on the general rule, that people with legit insured/licensed things are generally not a problem, because they're responsible.
* I say 'in theory' because without people actually enforcing the rules and laws, all of it's for nought.
Banning (through regulation, licence, sheer bureaucracy*) anything is never enough either....always someone willing to say no to authority, just have to keep making it difficult.
They'll probably move on to packs of chihuahuas though.
*it just annoys everyone else.
Not gonna lie, if I have to start paying even more for my dogs (licences, higher insurance costs) then I'm going to be ****ed off.
Always paying for others and their ****ups in this country.
They'll probably move on to packs of chihuahuas though.
*it just annoys everyone else.
Not gonna lie, if I have to start paying even more for my dogs (licences, higher insurance costs) then I'm going to be ****ed off.
Always paying for others and their ****ups in this country.
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