Does something need to be done about dogs?

[413x]

There has to be a line somewhere. And it would be great to stop all the **** owners having dogs. (same goes for kids too but that's a very dodgy topic!).

You see videos of these dogs going at horses even after taking a hoof to the face. They don't stop.

This (as has been said over and over in this thread) is the root issue.

It doesn't matter if 9/10 are great. Or 999/1000 are great. When a dog cannot be controlled at its worst it's time to get some legislation in. And that is the issue. When they turn, if they turn, the average person can't stop them.
Many dogs can do damage. Very few can savage someone to death with multiple people unable to prevent it.

There are so many other dogs you could have. It's not like you can't have any dogs, you can even keep your existing XL dog.

If someone is upset they can't have a bully XL vs a staff let's say, you have to wonder why that is.

 

[dowie]

Yes, but it's not the owners, remember. It's the breed!

Does it really need to be pointed out again - this is not monocausal - why are you pretending that anyone arguing that the breed is a factor is denying that the owners are a factor too?

Bad owners have always existed, that alone clearly doesn't explain the spike in deaths and serious injuries that are disproportionately coming from this type of dog!

 

[Haggisman]

Some folks are just destined for early graves.

And unfortunately in many of these cases it's not the irresponsible owner

 

[ttaskmaster]

It's both , why is that so hard to understand?
These dogs are bred to be fighting dogs, they are agressive, reactionary, unpredictable and very powerfull.
They appeal to a certain type of dog owner, as in irresponsible/violent/stupid people.

Some lineages are being irresponsibly bred, but that does not encompass the entire breed, any more than it does the numerous other breeds that originated as, or have at one time been used as, fighting dogs.
That some irresponsible/violent/stupid people favour them similarly does not mean that every owner is unable to treat them properly.
Either way, it always comes down to the owner and breeder.

Does it really need to be pointed out again - this is not monocausal - why are you pretending that anyone arguing that the breed is a factor is denying that the owners are a factor too?

I'm "pretending" nothing. You're again reading things that aren't there.

Bad owners have always existed, that alone clearly doesn't explain the spike in deaths and serious injuries that are disproportionately coming from this type of dog!

The surge was already explained in previous posts quite some time ago...
Primarily the Covid surge in dogs kept at home, combined with some irresponsible breeding for the status dog market, the government dropping the new Animal Welfare Bill resulting in pretty unrestricted importation, and the highly profitable market, all enabling the ownership by irresponsible owners who would rather have a dog to make a statement instead of being decent owners.
Once Covid restrictions ended, all other dog markets fell, whereas this one increased as they had such a buoyant and captive customer base of bell-ends.

 

[dowie]

I'm "pretending" nothing. You're again reading things that aren't there.

OK so what is this in reference to:

Yes, but it's not the owners, remember. It's the breed!

 

[mattyfez]

Some lineages are being irresponsibly bred, but that does not encompass the entire breed

Lol whut?

comes down to the owner and breeder.

It seems we are making progress of sorts!

 

[potatolord]

This legislation has inspired me to panic buy Bully XLs and bandages before the ban comes in.

That's one in the eye for the barmy bully banning bureaucrats!

 

[Foghorn Leghorn]

This legislation has inspired me to panic buy Bully XLs and bandages before the ban comes in.

That's one in the eye for the barmy bully banning bureaucrats!

Ooh! Good call! Breed the females* too so they're pregnant before the end of the month.

Will you be going for an unpronounceable name change? How about some ill advised tattoos? Ideally on your neck or face, glaringly obvious spelling mistakes for bonus points, angles and regerts are firm favourites....



*With another bully XL, not you, deviant

 

[Oggie]

A lot of people subscribe to being 'the alpha', aka effectively teaching their dogs to fear them. I don't subscribe to that at all. From what I've seen, it gets quick results but builds an anxious dog.

true

 

[mattyfez]

true

Yeah, I reward good behaviour with praise/treat, and if he does something 'naughty' I simply say no! and withdraw attention from him for ten mins or so...works so much better than being nasty to the dog... my yorkie/shi-tzu cross so affectionate and well behaved, he's very very rarely naughty - they get the message really quick without the need for 'punishemnt', positive reinforcement works far better.

Consistency is key as well - dogs can get mixed messages from you otherwise, and simply won't know what they are supposed to do/what's expected from them.

 

[dowie]

@mattyfez I'm not sure if this is progress or just more mental gymnastics

Some lineages are being irresponsibly bred, but that does not encompass the entire breed[...]
Either way, it always comes down to the owner and breeder.

Trying to play it off as *some lineages* is silly here given how inbred these things are, ttaskmaster is trying to portray this as though it's an otherwise normal dog breed but for a few bad breeders/lineages. Back in reality, as an indication of how inbred they are, half of all XL Bullys in the UK descend from a known US dog Killer Kimbo. The breeders are those people on facebook/Instagram with the chavvy images and inbred lineages displayed. There isn't some wider population of responsible XL bully breeders separate to those chavs.

The bad lineage aspect he's now willing to concede is literally the entire breed as it is in the UK today, we don't need this dog breed to exist at all!

 

[sidimmu]

Walked past a guy up town before christmas, chavvy looking thing, chatting to an older women with an XL Bully by his side. Clearly getting a bit of attention, he was saying how peaceful and protective the dog is.
Then he states "I wouldn't leave one around a baby though".... almost dropped my sausage roll!

 

[bloodiedathame]

Walked past a guy up town before christmas, chavvy looking thing, chatting to an older women with an XL Bully by his side. Clearly getting a bit of attention, he was saying how peaceful and protective the dog is.
Then he states "I wouldn't leave one around a baby though".... almost dropped my sausage roll!

I think this is the most British post ever.

Was it a Greggs sausage roll?

 

[sidimmu]

I think this is the most British post ever.

Was it a Greggs sausage roll?

I hope it made you smile.

It was a Greggs Sausage roll... hot and decent for under a quid. Even an XL Bully cant turn their nose up at it! Might turn you over for one though....

 

[ttaskmaster]

OK so what is this in reference to:

It's a sarcastic response to the clearly unsuitable environment depicted.

Lol whut?
It seems we are making progress of sorts!

Not really - I've been saying this from the start.

Back in reality, as an indication of how inbred they are, half of all XL Bullys in the UK descend from a known US dog Killer Kimbo....

The bad lineage aspect he's now willing to concede is literally the entire breed as it is in the UK today, we don't need this dog breed to exist at all!

Half is not all, of either the UK population or the wider breed. Coming from someone who was bleating about numeracy issues, it seems you're in need of help in that regard!

Trying to play it off as *some lineages* is silly here given how inbred these things are, ttaskmaster is trying to portray this as though it's an otherwise normal dog breed but for a few bad breeders/lineages.

Even your own favourite source, BullyWatch, has asserted that there are good bloodlines.

 

[dowie]

Half is not all, of either the UK population or the wider breed. Coming from someone who was bleating about numeracy issues, it seems you're in need of help in that regard!

as an indication of how inbred they are, half of all XL Bullys in the UK descend from a known US dog Killer Kimbo.

Seems you completely missed the point there, you're acting as though they can only be inbred from that one dog when that was simply mentioned to illustrate the issue.

As for the "wider population" it's the UK population we're talking about!

 

[ttaskmaster]

Seems you completely missed the point there, you're acting as though they can only be inbred from that one dog when that was simply mentioned to illustrate the issue.
As for the "wider population" it's the UK population we're talking about!

First it's breed as a whole, then it's only the UK population, then it's all about this one progenitor, all depending on which point you're trying to argue, interspersed with mixed stats from the UK and the US, again depending which serves your argument better.

As for this one dog - You're the one who only ever brings that dog up. That dog itself has no history of bad behaviour and only a few of his line have actually turned out bad.
As for "how inbred", you do realise that just about every pedigree breed is also inbred to almost the same extent, yes?

 

[gingergundog]

I hope it made you smile.

It was a Greggs Sausage roll... hot and decent for under a quid. Even an XL Bully cant turn their nose up at it! Might turn you over for one though....

Maybe if everyone walked around with a Greggs Sausage Roll to placate the XL Bullies then everything would be ok?

 

[sidimmu]

First it's breed as a whole, then it's only the UK population, then it's all about this one progenitor, all depending on which point you're trying to argue, interspersed with mixed stats from the UK and the US, again depending which serves your argument better.

As for this one dog - You're the one who only ever brings that dog up. That dog itself has no history of bad behaviour and only a few of his line have actually turned out bad.
As for "how inbred", you do realise that just about every pedigree breed is also inbred to almost the same extent, yes?

Give it up mate, everyone see's through your nonsense now.

Maybe if everyone walked around with a Greggs Sausage Roll to placate the XL Bullies then everything would be ok?

@ttaskmaster would disagree, they are pleasant and decent members of society, hell they'd even give up their sausage roll for your leg/child. Seems perfectly logical and reasonable to me.

 

[dowie]

As for this one dog - You're the one who only ever brings that dog up. That dog itself has no history of bad behaviour and only a few of his line have actually turned out bad.
As for "how inbred", you do realise that just about every pedigree breed is also inbred to almost the same extent, yes?

Well it's a clear illustration of the extent of the inbreeding but that's another aspect you don't get...by bad you mean the ones that have actually killed people right? Oh, only a few of his ancestors have killed people... FFS how do you not see the obvious issue there? Being killed by a dog is an extreme event, those events have spiked and many of them are down to this breed. Of course, dogs have been killed too and many people have suffered serious injuries as well which is why it's sensible to "ban" this breed.