Does something need to be done about dogs?

[scarps]

Nope. It doesn't logically follow that if something is the result of some factor it will occur 100% of the time.

These dogs were bred for bloodsports, sure owner behaviour, training and environment are other factors but the breed is clearly a huge factor too, any dog can potentially snap but when a bull terrier type dog does it then the consequences can be much worse than with most dog attacks, that's entirely down to the breed.

When was the last time you heard of someone being mauled to death by a Chihuahua?

Because these owners don't know how to control or teach these types of dogs. In the right hands they are perfectly fine.

Yes they were breed for bloodsports etc but how do these dogs get aggressive, they are either taught to or looked after wrongly.

Any medium sized dog can do damage, no point comparing a little thing is it.

 

[Dis86]

Because these owners don't know how to control or teach these types of dogs. In the right hands they are perfectly fine.

Yes they were breed for bloodsports etc but how do these dogs get aggressive, they are either taught to or looked after wrongly.

Any medium sized dog can do damage, no point comparing a little thing is it.

Yes, because one of the most dangerous dogs in this country is the jack Russell. Which is a small thing.

 

[scarps]

Incorrect. Let's take great white sharks. Do they constantly kill everything they come across? No. They're definitely dangerous though.

The breed might be aggressive but it's down to the owners to make it not.

Any medium sized dog can attack and killed someone, yes we hear more about Pitbull's etc. but that's because 99% of the time the owner is a knob and has no clue about these dogs.

 

[dowie]

Don't blame the breed then. If it's the breed, then each one must be dangerous

Each one is potentially dangerous, any dog can snap but if a bull terrier type does so then it's a bit more risky.

Do you think we should be allowed to keep big cats domestically?

 

[scarps]

Yes, because one of the most dangerous dogs in this country is the jack Russell. Which is a small thing.

Better put a petition in to ban them too then.

 

[Dis86]

Better put a petition in to ban them too then.

Their attacks are rarely fatal. It tends to just be children that they eat.

 

[scarps]

Each one is potentially dangerous, any dog can snap but if a bull terrier type does so then it's a bit more risky.

Do you think we should be allowed to keep big cats domestically?

But then any big/medium sized dog needs getting rid of then, as like you say, each one is potentially dangerous.

We've seen people tame Lions, Tigers, should we be able to keep them? No, because we have people who can't control dogs.

 

[dowie]

But then any big/medium sized dog needs getting rid of then, as like you say, each one is potentially dangerous.

No that doesn't follow, bull terrier types are particularly risky.

We've seen people tame Lions, Tigers, should we be able to keep them? No, because we have people who can't control dogs.

The same argument applies to bull terrier type dogs.

 

[Dis86]

But then any big/medium sized dog needs getting rid of then, as like you say, each one is potentially dangerous.

We've seen people tame Lions, Tigers, should we be able to keep them? No, because we have people who can't control dogs.

Weird, it's almost like tamers have been killed and injured because the animals they work with are dangerous...

 

[scarps]

You only need to go through the list of deaths by dogs to see the majority are dogs that were untrained and known to be aggressive which is down to the owner. And ones that had been rehomed a number of times, probably because the owner had no idea what they were doing.

 

[dowie]

So perhaps get rid of them then... I mean those bad owners could still own a badly trained labrador but it's unlikely to kill anyone.

 

[potatolord]

You only need to go through the list of deaths by dogs to see the majority are dogs that were untrained and known to be aggressive which is down to the owner. And ones that had been rehomed a number of times, probably because the owner had no idea what they were doing.

Going through that list, the thing that jumps out at me is the distribution of bull terrier types. They are over-represented in fatal attacks.

Most popular breeds have zero representation on that list. The chance that all of those owners, of all of those breeds, are responsible is nil.

So the real issue may not solely be poor training/ ownership.

 

[Dis86]

5 American bulldogs...shock.

 

[Felon]

Man held after woman killed by American bulldogs in Liverpool

Five American bulldogs were put down after the victim, named locally as Ann Dunn, was attacked.

www.bbc.co.uk

The victim, aged 63, was mauled in a property on St Brigids Crescent in Kirkdale shortly before 16:30 BST on Monday, Merseyside Police said.
Five American bulldogs inside the property were handed over and have since been humanely destroyed.

Five american bulldogs? yikes...

Half of these attacks just seem to be down to people being bloody idiots and not having a clue, I doubt half of these "owners" can even look after themselves, let alone five dogs of that breed under the same roof..

 

[GGizmo]

I think there needs to be some kind of licensing going on with dog ownership.

 

[ttaskmaster]

So perhaps get rid of them then... I mean those bad owners could still own a badly trained labrador but it's unlikely to kill anyone.

Labradors may rarely kill... but several articles assert they are consistently in the top spots for the most attacks and injuries. I think the Royal Mail compiled some data on how frequently their staff were attacked by Labs, and stated that fingers being bitten off was the most common. However, the stats are possibly skewed due to Labs being so widely owned anyway.

Going through that list, the thing that jumps out at me is the distribution of bull terrier types. They are over-represented in fatal attacks.

Most popular breeds have zero representation on that list. The chance that all of those owners, of all of those breeds, are responsible is nil.

So the real issue may not solely be poor training/ ownership.

Really?
Some details of circumstances are still not published, but things that jump out at me are statements like:

• 12 day old baby left alone with the dog
• 12-year old boy was attacked and killed when he was left alone with the dog in a caravan at a holiday park. The child's mother and the dog's owner had both left the caravan to drink.
• Dog had a history that the new owner (the previous owner's now ex-girlfriend) was not aware of.
• Victim's mother left the sleeping baby in her pram inside the house while she stepped out to put her son in a taxi.
• Police seized the dog, which had a history of attacking neighbours, but returned it to its owner a week before the fatal attack after deciding it was not a banned breed per Section 1 of the DDA 1991.
• Victim's grandmother, after smoking 10 cannabis joints and drinking two bottles of wine, let the 75-pound dog (an illegal breed) inside the house where it attacked and killed the 5-year-old girl.

And the most staggering one - Cocaine and morphine were found in the dog's urine.... WTF???!!!

Moreover, there's an even longer list of those incidents in which the owners pleaded guilty to owning dogs already prohibited by the Dangerous Dogs Act.... including the one with the alcho-stoner grandmother, who was aquitted of all charges, incidentally.

I think there needs to be some kind of licensing going on with dog ownership.

Why?
It doesn't stop millions of unlicenced and uninsured driviers from hopping in a car and bimbling around. Why would it help prevent people from owning dogs that are already prohibited?

 

[GGizmo]

Why?
It doesn't stop millions of unlicenced and uninsured driviers from hopping in a car and bimbling around. Why would it help prevent people from owning dogs that are already prohibited?

You make a good point.

I guess the reason why no one is reporting them is because not many people can identify a prohibited dog breed.

The situation might need more general public education.

I still would like a general license for dog ownership. So there is a papertrail. Every dog should be chipped with all of their owners details.

 

[dowie]

Labradors may rarely kill... but several articles assert they are consistently in the top spots for the most attacks and injuries.

Yup, I mentioned chihuahuas earlier too, they're supposed to be a bit bitey/aggressive too (more so than average in their case), but they're not going to kill either. And in their case, I guess a postman can just boot them across the front garden!

The issue with bull terrier types is that even if they're no more aggressive than the average dog when they are aggressive the consequences can be far worse.

 

[dowie]

5 American bulldogs...shock.

The problem here is that while "Pitbulls" have been outlawed all sorts of other bull terrier breeds haven't and in reality, we still end up with these chavvy status dogs being bred which basically have the same issues as Pitbulls.

 

[Felon]

The problem here is that while "Pitbulls" have been outlawed all sorts of other bull terrier breeds haven't and in reality, we still end up with these chavvy status dogs being bred which basically have the same issues as Pitbulls.

Yeah this is very true,

Also - quite often it's really hard to identify exactly what the breed actually is, in some cases it might have "some" pitbull DNA in it, but also the DNA of many other dogs, because these idiots are basically just breeding hellhounds.

I still would like a general license for dog ownership. So there is a papertrail. Every dog should be chipped with all of their owners details.

Yeah I really don't see the problem with common sense checks and balances, I'm on the list for a Bullmastiff and I'd be totally fine with paying a license, getting him chipped, insured, and having the correct paperwork. I'd also be fine - with it being like what we have with cars, if you can't produce the correct papers, the dog gets taken away until you fix it.

It's not that harsh really, my mum had dogs when she was growing up - and people just paid the licensing until they abolished it in the 80s (**** knows why) and it was all just fine...

I suppose people will always cry "don't want a nanny state" but at the end of the day, there are a lot of idiots out there and they can do a lot of damage to innocent people.