Does the S2000 have traction control?

Its a sports car.

Its a car you drive.

Not one of these driver flattering rally inspired cars that waft along on the torque, grip well and are effortless to steer fast. (note my use of the word steer not drive)

I don't see how people buy cars and expect them to be totally different to how it looks on paper :confused:

The UK sucks for opening cars up it seems if you live anywhere south of the Watford Gap. To much traffic to justify anything with more than 120bhp, let alone focus'd sports cars with twice that.

Get em on track and you soon find out the more capable stuff.
 
On paper the car claimed to have 240hp and was supposed to be fun to drive. The truth was it has 240hp when you thrash it, the rest of the time it has 90hp and can't negoiate hills without knocking it down at least one cog.

I just wish there were more people capable of admitting there cars sucked then I wouldn't have bothered with one in the first place, as I did though I have to at least try to let people know that the s2000 is a dire attempt at a sports car, go with the m roadster so much more capable in every respect.
 
Simon said:
Main problem is that people compared the engine to other 240hp engines rather than other 2.0 NA engines.
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That's because Honda charge the equivalent of a 3ltr car.
As I remember it, it's price was somewhere in the middle between say an MX5 and a Z4 3ltr. Quite clearly it doesn't have the street cred of the BM, so Honda sold it as a MX5 with 3ltr straightline performance.

Can't say I see the point to it. As I remember it's a cast iron block, meaning that it's not significantly lighter than an alloy v8 (e.g. the old Rover v8) and doesn't really offer massive fuel economy improvements. So why they bother trying to wring the kneck of a 2ltr when it's clearly easier to either turbo a 2ltr, or simply go for a bigger engine.
 
Will Gill said:
On paper the car claimed to have 240hp and was supposed to be fun to drive. The truth was it has 240hp when you thrash it, the rest of the time it has 90hp and can't negoiate hills without knocking it down at least one cog.

I just wish there were more people capable of admitting there cars sucked then I wouldn't have bothered with one in the first place, as I did though I have to at least try to let people know that the s2000 is a dire attempt at a sports car, go with the m roadster so much more capable in every respect.
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Hear hear.
 
Driven properly, the S2000 covers ground very quickly.

But that's the trick, it's how you drive it. It's a scalpel not a lump hammer.

:)
 
Nozzer said:
Couldn't be arsed revving it constantly, I'm too lazy for VTEC.
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That's fair enough. Aint everyones cup of tea. :)

It's heaven sent if you like the involvement. If you just want to press and go - it'll get tiring very quickly.
 
Nozzer said:
Couldn't be arsed revving it constantly, I'm too lazy for VTEC.
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You don't *have* to rev it though, that's the myth. It's just the same as a normal 2l until you hit 6000rpm when it goes manic. You still get good performance <6000, but even better performance after that

I hear people saying the same about the Elise too. Try to imagine your engine up until 6000rpm, then imagine a step up in performance up until 8600rpm. That's what the Yota engine'd cars are like, same as the K series until 6000, then crazy madman after that :D
 
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I don't see why people think it's that gutless. When I went in merlin's, 4th gear @ 40mph up a hill, and it accelerated very well. Don't forget the gears are so short, but because of how much it revs it doesn't matter. So it's like driving a 2.0ltr with really short gears - of course I can't really have an opinion, I have never drove one :D

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ScoobyDoo69 said:
I don't see why people think it's that gutless. When I went in merlin's, 4th gear @ 40mph up a hill, and it accelerated very well. Don't forget the gears are so short, but because of how much it revs it doesn't matter. So it's like driving a 2.0ltr with really short gears - of course I can't really have an opinion, I have never drove one
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IME a lot of it is phycological, a turbocharged car with a lot of low down torque "feels" a lot faster when it accelerates than a higher reving VTEC style engine.

I havent driven an S2000, so i can only imagine it feeling like a more extreme version of the CTR (which i have), and i would take the turbocharged route every time going on this experience alone. Yes i am a lazy driver, i like my cars to simply throw me into the seat and hurl me fowards no matter what i do. I cant be bothered to have to wring the absolute nuts off them to make progress.

Personal preference, a lot of people like the "race car" feel of the VTEC's.
 
Will Gill said:
its not reliable and its useless on petrol given the mediocre performance it returns!
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I remember you commenting at the RR on how you missed just jumping in it and ragging it without worry when comparing to your scooby though :p
 
Jez said:
IME a lot of it is phycological
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Its more then that, imo to get the best performance from it you would have to use every last rev because it peaks so late whereas turbo(s) would give that power up more easily and you might even get less performance if you did the same and held each gear.

Also a lot of people dont want to use 9k revs because they think it'll wreck the car or it just doesnt feel natural to them

I know I'd like the s2000 but I think its just too much 'hassle' for most. Give me TC on it though :eek:
 
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I thought the CTR/S2000 were alloy which is why the CTR engine is so popular with the Elise guys for a transplant :confused:
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CTR and S2000 engines are completely different.

The engine in the S2000 is pretty heavy in comparison but it doesn't matter too much as its in the middle of the car.

Does need clear roads to really realise what Vtec is all about though
 
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Also a lot of people dont want to use 9k revs because they think it'll wreck the car or it just doesnt feel natural to them
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It doesnt feel like a normal engine in that it doesn't get rough at 7k. But yes it does take some getting used to. Personally I love the 6k kick.
 
Simon said:
The engine in the S2000 is pretty heavy in comparison
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That would certainly explain why this sports car weighs in at over 2800lbs....not exactly a light-weight job.
 
JRS said:
That would certainly explain why this sports car weighs in at over 2800lbs....not exactly a light-weight job.
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Its probably 40kg heavier. It's pretty light for a convertible due to the X bone chassis. The electric motors weigh a fair amount though.

I'm not trying to convince they are good cars for everyone but they certainly are cars for people who like to drive rather than be driven :)
 
Technically the engine is awesome, whilst people may not like how it delivers the power, it is certainly impressive.

"The S2000 engine is 9 percent smaller and 10 percent lighter than a 2.2-liter Prelude engine, and almost as small as a 1.6-liter Civic engine. Yet this compact, lightweight engine (326 lbs.) has the highest specific power output (120 hp per liter) of any normally aspirated 2.0-liter production engine in the world. In addi-tion, the engine's exhaust emissions are so low that the S2000 qualifies as a Low-Emission Vehicle (LEV). "

http://www.hondanews.com/CatID2069?mid=2003100141147&mime=asc

http://www.hondanews.com/CatID2069?mid=20010221001308&mime=asc&archives=t

EDIT , 326 = 158kg
Basically a race engine that can do 100k+ miles and meet the worlds most stringent emissions levels.
 
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326lbs. I've no idea if that's heavy or not.
Anyone got some comparison weights for units like the K series, Rover v8, BM M50 etc?
 
What a surprise that a Honda thread has decended into a slagging match about the VTEC system :rolleyes: . You'd think you guys would have found something new to gurn about by now.

(And for the record, yes I have a Prelude 2.2 VTEC, and no I don't give a rats ass what you think about it)
 
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