Driving Offences

acharris · 31 May 2006 at 00:10

Hi, I don't see what the discussion is and why he is trying to get out of the offence to be honest. I am not claiming that none of us of speeded over the time of our driving, and I claim to be no different. But If I was caught doing 120 in a 70 mph zone, then I would just have to accept that I was a fool for speeding so fast in the 1st place and accept was given.

If I had bald tyres as well on the car, then I deserve the book chucked at me as at that speed with no tread, then you ain't going to stop a car like that anytime soon and would probably ending up killing some poor, innocent family who was just driving along midning there own business.

Nothing personal, but I hope he gets the book thrown at him and get a ban, not for the speeding so much, but for the fact that the car had bald tyres. Tyres, suspension and brakes should be always in tip top condition, as they are what keep the car on the road safely for any condition.

Anthony

rG-tom · 31 May 2006 at 00:22

acharris said:
Hi, I don't see what the discussion is and why he is trying to get out of the offence to be honest. I am not claiming that none of us of speeded over the time of our driving, and I claim to be no different. But If I was caught doing 120 in a 70 mph zone, then I would just have to accept that I was a fool for speeding so fast in the 1st place and accept was given.

If I had bald tyres as well on the car, then I deserve the book chucked at me as at that speed with no tread, then you ain't going to stop a car like that anytime soon and would probably ending up killing some poor, innocent family who was just driving along midning there own business.

Nothing personal, but I hope he gets the book thrown at him and get a ban, not for the speeding so much, but for the fact that the car had bald tyres. Tyres, suspension and brakes should be always in tip top condition, as they are what keep the car on the road safely for any condition.

Anthony

IF this was in the dry, then the lack of tread could actually have aided grip, so saying it was dangerous (tyre wise) without know exactly the state of his tyres is a silly accusation. Also, if it was a completely empty road, then in a supra....120mph isnt fast. Are you telling me you've never done that speed on a uk road when no one else is around? Of course if there was other traffic around it was sillier, but on a completely dry, empty road in a toyota supra with closer to slick than usual tyres isn't really that dangerous at all.

You also say that if you got caught and faced a ban, you'd sit down and take it if there was even a slight possibility that you could get off it? I find that really hard to believe.

Tom.

Sagalout · 31 May 2006 at 00:24

The fines can be huge - up to £2500 per tyre, although not sure if this is still worked out on ability to pay - ie if he's rich he might get close to that but if he earns £12k a year it will be a lot less. Also I guess it depends on the exact state of the tyre. Was it marginal or seriously worn?

As for speeding - unless he's a pro footballer with a great solicitor I'd say odds on for a ban. 100mph is the general guide and whilst the judge has some discretion, and he might have gotten away with it if it was an emergency, I cant see the judge having much sympathy for 'I wanted to test out my car'.

Silly boy - hope he learns from it.

The_Dark_Side · 31 May 2006 at 00:47

i think it's fair to say that the OP's brothers license will make a great welsh tour guide.
it's almost certainly going to spend a lot of time there.

batfruit · 31 May 2006 at 01:05

He's looking at a Ban i lost mine for 90 Days for doing 109 in a 70

didnt mind the £280 fine it twas the Insurance costs later on. :cool:

moss · 31 May 2006 at 01:23

paul@ said:
Throw the book at him, 2 bald tyres @ 120 is really dangerous.

Im not sticking up for him, but i'd rather be doing 120mph with 2 illegal (not totally bald but below the legal limit) good branded tyres than 120mph with 2 legal but budget tyres.

TripleT · 31 May 2006 at 11:55

He's totally screwed imo

When's he due in court?

Gaygle · 31 May 2006 at 12:10

Yeah he's gona get pwned. I can understand him wanting to try out his new car, but tbh i prob would have done it late at night when nothings around on a well lit motorway. Also, probably should have got himself some good tyres.

Maybe this website will help, just as a guide (scroll to the middle):
http://www.speed-trap.co.uk/Accused_Home/Rules_useage/The_Law.htm

but it definately depends on the day, luck of the draw etc.

Someone was doing 100mph and got caught = £540 fine and 5 points

Someone was caught doing 120mph = 1 month ban and £200 fine.

Look at the table and you'll see how it all comes down to the day in court. BTW i am 99.9999% sure he'll get a ban. You can't have any excuse for 120MPH in the courts eyes.

Mad old tory · 31 May 2006 at 13:15

Like everyone else above has said, can't see him getting anything less than a ban, even if his boss puts a good word in for him

Sadgeek · 31 May 2006 at 13:24

Not a lot of sympathy from the South coast I'm afraid.

If he needs to be able to drive to conduct his job, then he should have considered this before planting his right foot. I fail to see why this should have any bearing on what a court hands out, but that's up to them.

I admit that I drive in a 'spirited' manner some times, but 70% over the limit is just silly and asking for trouble.

pc-guy · 31 May 2006 at 14:11

Ban of 1 year is likely plus a v large fine

was in court with a trader who did 70 in 40 zone and ahd no previous history was banned for 6 months and fined 1000. so that was hard knocked but your bro is truely bad ass.

and DO NOT SPEED on A1 its a rubbish road get on a nice stretch of empty motor and do your speed test there, less likely to be spotted by coppers and if u do get hurt its yourself u r endangering not other road users

bottletop · 31 May 2006 at 16:53

I was lucky with my speeding offence - 105mph on a motorway. Wore a suit, looked sheepish....£105 fine, 7 day ban, no points. Was about the smallest slap on the wrist they could give me.

Hate · 31 May 2006 at 17:06

Echo all comments, especially steves.

Speeding, bald tyres and possible insurance fraud don't look good.

The_Dark_Side · 31 May 2006 at 17:47

it always surprises me to see the number of people that need their license for work that are prepared to risk it without a second thought.
being banned is bad enough, losing your job as well would be a nightmare.

Vertigo · 31 May 2006 at 18:20

I don't think simply pleading for your job will get you very far as the courts take the (perfectly reasonable IMO) view that you should have thought about that before you decided to speed.

Where they will tend to show more leniency is when others would be adversely affected by a ban, such as dependents or your employer. A word from the employer explaining that a ban would cause them inconvenience and expense will often help and did recently with one of my colleagues.

The_Dark_Side · 31 May 2006 at 18:25

Vertigo1 said:
I don't think simply pleading for your job will get you very far as the courts take the (perfectly reasonable IMO) view that you should have thought about that before you decided to speed.

Where they will tend to show more leniency is when others would be adversely affected by a ban, such as dependents or your employer. A word from the employer explaining that a ban would cause them inconvenience and expense will often help and did recently with one of my colleagues.

don't forget the golden word you NEED to bear in mind if you should ever find yourself in court.

REMORSE.

make sure your face+posture is screaming to the world that "buttons" your dog, that helped you through your difficult childhood and was the only one to ever understand, you has just died.

the courts hate the confident, cocky or "not bovvered" attitudes.

Jasperado · 31 May 2006 at 20:15

Jenie said:
My brother has been caught speeding and had two illegal tyres, the police officer has only charged him for one tyre tho, he has now been told he has to go to court, and we just wondered if anyone knows anything about this kind of thing?? We were wondering if anyone knew what kind of sentence he would be given best and worse case scenario??

He already has points on his licence for speeding.

Any advice would be gratefully received.

Thanks
Jen x

Ban defo ! :eek:

Lopéz · 31 May 2006 at 22:55

The_Dark_Side said:
don't forget the golden word you NEED to bear in mind if you should ever find yourself in court.

REMORSE.

make sure your face+posture is screaming to the world that "buttons" your dog, that helped you through your difficult childhood and was the only one to ever understand, you has just died.

the courts hate the confident, cocky or "not bovvered" attitudes.

Agreed. When I was in court I looked like I was trying to apologise for the Holocaust.

The_Dark_Side · 1 Jun 2006 at 00:28

Lopéz said:
Agreed. When I was in court I looked like I was trying to apologise for the Holocaust.

just read that and laughed out loud.
now that's a funny line.

apologised for the holocaust....hehe

paul@ · 2 Jun 2006 at 23:55

I think the only way he will get out of a ban is something trivial like...

Footballer David Beckham escaped losing his licence when he convinced a court he was only speeding to escape a pursuing photographer who was driving dangerously.

Sir Alex Ferguson, was cleared of a traffic offence by explaining that severe diarrhoea and the need to reach a toilet prompted his driving on a motorway hard shoulder.