I'm going to go with... lack of education (e.g. leah betts) or it not actually being E
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I'm going to go with... lack of education (e.g. leah betts) or it not actually being E
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Haven't got a clue, wasn't interested finding out why they not here any more so that's all that matters. I also don't care how many people do it in the UK and survive. When you loose someone close enough to drugs it's not the nicest feeling in the world so please respect that.
I'm not calling you an idiot. Merely stating that you court an idiots opinion..
My GP smokes cannabis. It's besides the point. A Surgeon wouldn't generally go out and take 'E' (do you mean mdma?) the night before they perform surgery. At least I wouldn't imagine so, because yes, it can impair motor functions.
But you've gone from a class C drug to a class A drug. I certainly wouldn't mind my surgeon smoking a joint the night before. in-fact I'd recommend it.. Sooner that than him drinking a half bottle of whisky.
Your opinion's idiotic because it's black and white. Life isn't black and white, drug use is not black and white. You know of people who have been harmed by their drug use, and that's very sad. But believe me, whether you realise it or not, you know a great deal more who haven't.
What a naive opinion. You would stop trusting someone you knew just because they took a recreation drug at the weekend? Because it suddenly turns them it a sub human who would rob your granny for a quick fix? lol. You must live a fairly sheltered life and buy into a lot of media scaremongering. Do you also stop buying red meat when the daily mail tells you it will give you cancer?
There is a big difference between someone who goes out at the weekend and pops a pill to junkies who can't function normally due to substance dependance. Exactly the same way that there is a big difference between someone who has a couple of pints at the weekend and an alchoholic.
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non-prescribed medication generally will not have an affect on their ability, however a couple of points..
a) How would the manager know if the employee did not tell him.
b) The legal responsibility for the employees ability remains with the employee, even if they feel they are too tired for example they are obligated to report it and if necessary report sick or unable to complete their duties. It is not the managers responsibilty to know the effects of drugs, prescribed or otherwise, nor does he need to know.
c) a database of every single available drug and the way it interacts with every other drug is impractical, probably not possible, and would be prohibitively expensive. Not forgetting practically useless unless the employee reports the drugs to begin with, and as he is legally obligated to report anything that affects his ability to comply with his licensing requirements anyway it is an un-necessary expense.
Fitness for duty remains the contractual, statutory and legal responsibility of the employee.
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I would rather a surgeon didn't do any. Which is what existing drug policies do. Which control illegal, legal, prescribed, over the counter and even a general question asking if you're fit for duty.
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It's what the illegal drugs do and what harm it causes. Friday night in A&E is a different story for alcohol it puts so much pressure on the hospitals and the patients that are there for a serious problem. Fair enough alcohol is a different drug but it's the after effects and problems that's caused along the way.
The same as illegal drug use and working environments.
An employer can refer an employee to an occupational health specialist who would look at the direct interaction between drugs. I use to deal with these quite often when working as a pharmacy technician 3 years ago.
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No you are wrong about me, I live anything but a sheltered life and don't really give a damn about most of the media.
I make my own mind up about things regardless.
A) they font and you would be discaplined
B) yes it's upto the employee and failure results in possible disciplinary. A manager won't or might not know what duties to restrict. Drugs can have many side effects and managers need to know what they relate to. Using their own knowledge isn't good enough. If I report a drug to my manager it is no longer my responsibility to determin what I am or am not safe to do. This is where you need expert advice and can not be left to a manager or the drug insert.
C) we use a such a database, however if multiple drugs you have to phone the hotline and talk to a doctor.
Many over the counter drugs, restrict out duties by not being allowed to work alone(ddrugs that cause drowsines)
Which is why all drugs have to be declared and checked.
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Regardless of facts and truth it seems.
Indeed, but that doesn't negate or mitigate the employees responsibility to be fit for duty or to report anything that may be detrimental to that.
Each employee must pass a medical at incremental times as well as sign a declaration every 6 months in this regard, this is in addition to their obligations as already stated, or our substance policies.
That is obviously pretty tragic so I can see where you're coming from. However, my feeling is that it might be a little more complicated somehow.
As far as I know it's vitually impossible to die from a pure Ecstasy (MDMA) overdose - I'm not sure there has even been a single death directly related to it. Deaths usually happen because the user has taken some horrible concoction or the pill was cut with something very nasty.
I know a few mates at uni who took the odd pill, and I went to a lot of nights out where drugs were quite common (DnB and Dubstep clubs etc). I certainly never saw anyones life messed up from having the odd "recreational" drug. Probably less so than people who went drinking every night actually.
Put it this way, if I saw my doctor in some dive of a club, skanking away, chewing his mouth off and eyes like saucers I'd probably just think "legend" - wouldn't make me want to change doctor at all
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And if it were legalized then you're virtually eliminating the chance of it being mixed with dangerous or poisonous substances.
We have company doctors who actually do what you are suggesting. All restrictions are generally statutory for our industry anyway.
To have a database of every available medication is impractical (and without an individuals medical records and being a trained physician pretty useless) and due to the licensing regulations un-necessary for us.
Anyone who is knowingly unfit for work is subject to our disciplinary procedure and in some cases legal action.
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It might be I was just saying what we have and it's a simple solution. Any one can sign up and pay for it. Forget the name. It's pricing is determined by the number of employees.
We also use pupa doctors with knolwedge of the industry on top of that.
We also use pupa doctors with knolwedge of the industry on top of that.
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That is obviously pretty tragic so I can see where you're coming from. However, my feeling is that it might be a little more complicated somehow.
As far as I know it's vitually impossible to die from a pure Ecstasy (MDMA) overdose - I'm not sure there has even been a single death directly related to it. Deaths usually happen because the user has taken some horrible concoction or the pill was cut with something very nasty.
I know a few mates at uni who took the odd pill, and I went to a lot of nights out where drugs were quite common (DnB and Dubstep clubs etc). I certainly never saw anyones life messed up from having the odd "recreational" drug. Probably less so than people who went drinking every night actually.
Put it this way, if I saw my doctor in some dive of a club, skanking away, chewing his mouth off and eyes like saucers I'd probably just think "legend" - wouldn't make me want to change doctor at all
Your right, it probably wasn't pure MDMA. The thing is whatever it was killed these two people. Two innocent lives.
Now if it was the batch of pills, whoever made these pills may have mixed them with something that killed them or a chemical reaction. This is what making money does since they cut the substance with other chemicals. This alone is a very dangerous problem, especially for the UK.
I just hate illegal drugs in general because of the problem it causes all because the people who want to take them chase a feeling they get from taking it.
I don't think it is ethically right to legalise current illegal drugs because certain things like E, heroin, skunk can certainly shut body functions down, why on earth would anyone want that to happen just to chase a feeling.
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