Drum and Bass Dj Grooverider sentenced to 4 years in Dubai

try not to reduce my post to a { this or this} argument, i said much more than that, but at the very fundamental level yes. alcohol is very destructive, does NOT make you think, it stupefies, its the anti of cannabis .

no government wants a population who can think for themselves, that is fact

a population who thinks for themselves is a population that is harder to control.

governments like control.

goverments hate marijuana

I think this is what you want to believe because it makes weed look glamourous. The drug of free thinkers and freedom fighters, but you offer very little in way of evidence.

Some of the most narrow minded people I have ever met were heavy weed smokers and probably the most open minded never touched any kind of mind altering substance in their lives. I have also met many many people inbetween.

Why for example was cannabis downgraded if goverment is so desperate for control? Your simply stereotyping reality to paint a picture that fits your beliefs.
 
I think this is what you want to believe because it makes weed look glamourous. The drug of free thinkers and freedom fighters, but you offer very little in way of evidence.

Some of the most narrow minded people I have ever met were heavy weed smokers and probably the most open minded never touched any kind of mind altering substance in their lives. I have also met many many people inbetween.

Why for example was cannabis downgraded if goverment is so desperate for control? Your simply stereotyping reality to paint a picture that fits your beliefs.


Dubai downgraded ? they have a stricter regime than us and so desperately want to keep a firm control on its population as their laws are more restrictive on human freedom than a typical western society.

classically , the origins of the illegality of marijuana is based on population control, control of the individual thinker.

in this country cannabis restrictions are beyond control, and so not to seem antiquated, the government downgraded it. for more votes probably.
 
Dogoid, I agree with the other guys. You appear to want to paint marijuana in a good light because you are an advocate for it's use. Not because you truly believe in the benefits of it but because you like it.

From personal experiences and the people it has ruined I do not believe marijuana to be anything like the way you describe. It slows and dulls people's mind, and though they may believe themselves to be more free thinking, lateral thinking or anything else you'd like to stick to it, they were slower, duller and far more boring :)
 
Not because you truly believe in the benefits of it but because you like it.


i like it because of the benefits of it.

it helps a lot of people with arthritis also and those type of people who are getting relief from this plant , are people who are not lining the pockets of the drug companies who offer their own products.


i admit i am a big fan of this plant, when used correctly it can help people, when abused , just like anything else it can have negative effects. :)
 
As an ex-heavy user, I'm guessing I probably used to come across like dogoid is here. I don't deny having enjoyed it, having open conversations and getting absorbed in music, getting to know my friends better and having a laugh. However, looking back, those things would likely have happened anyway, as it was a social situation with good friends and a relaxed mood.

It's when I realised that the mental link was too strong between "relaxed mood + good time" and smoking that I cut it down, and eventually out of my routine, as I noticed the bad effects it was having on my motivation and concentration in everyday life.

I didn't used to buy in to the whole bit about it destroying lives, and while I'd still consider that a little extreme, since stopping myself I've watched the effect it's had on new friends from university. Most never smoked before starting, but over the course of last year, gradually got more and more in to it, to the stage where they're now an almost entirely exclusive group. That's not to say they wont let other people in, there's just no reason other people would want to, as most of what they're saying is either inane ramblings or .. silence, while they **** in front of family guy. I don't object to either of these as such, but not every night, every day - smoking is the activity, as opposed to an accompaniment to doing something else.

The two people I live with this year are two such people, a guy and a girl, and I know they're both awesome, but I just can't talk to them any more. Which is a shame, really. The girl's also since dropped out of uni, and I can say now I probably wouldn't live here again...which is sad, as I've had a great time with them in the past.

I don't want to sound like some zealous, born again anti drug campaigner, as that's very far from the truth, I'm just bitter about losing some friends and not sold on the concept that it's in ay way necessary to be an open minded, outward looking person.

Anyway, sorry, that was way too much of a rant about something I think I've been bottling up for a while :)

On topic- I'm a little conflicted. Yes, it was a daft thing for him to do, carrying drugs internationally is always foolish, let alone to the ME. I do believe he should follow their laws while there. I don't agree with the law, but I'd be aware of it and the risk involved if I chose to break it. In any case, I do feel for the guy for losing so much of his life.
 
i admit i am a big fan of this plant, when used correctly it can help people, when abused , just like anything else it can have negative effects. :)

I'm a big fan of it too, but I've heard too many people come out with all this mumbo-jumbo about it being some mind-altering substance that offers you some kind of spiritual paradise to find any sort of merit in it. It's too much like hippy talk for my liking! Weed is just a plant that you smoke which makes you giggle and makes music sound good as far as I'm concerned. It's not some kind of gateway to an alternative consciousness...
 
Some of us don't live in a black and white world like you though, ever heard of "the punishment should fit the crime". I'm sorry but 4 years for posessing a plant in your belongings that is clearly for personal use is crazy, regardless if it's their law or not.

And four years for murder is crazy.
 
Disgusting tbh, UAE are certainly not doing their tourist industry any good with these absurd and inhuman punishments for 'so called' crimes that are massively questionable in the first place!!

I am a strong believer in the Native American way of life, they were (before the yanks slaughtered nearly all of them) very peaceful people and one of their beliefs was 'Live and let live', seemed to work very well considering the crime rate amongst the native Americans at this time was very low indeed.
 
Disgusting tbh, UAE are certainly not doing their tourist industry any good with these absurd and inhuman punishments for 'so called' crimes that are massively questionable in the first place!!

I am a strong believer in the Native American way of life, they were (before the yanks slaughtered nearly all of them) very peaceful people and one of their beliefs was 'Live and let live', seemed to work very well considering the crime rate amongst the native Americans at this time was very low indeed.

Id say trafficking drugs is a crime.....not sure what Native Americans have got to do with it :confused:
 
Any country that goes to such lengths to jail disk jockey types and ban 'drum n bass', whatever that is, gets my vote ;)

Right on Sheikh ! Bloody racket :p
 
End of the day it is their country and they can run it how they like. They are notoriously strong on people who break their rules and when you look at the crime rates in their country they are completely justified in taking that approach. This oh it is only a little bit of weed nonsense in this thread is exactly that, nonsense. Rules are rules and it doesn't matter if it is only 2g worth of the stuff he should check his luggage before entering the country. If they let him off now others will try to take advantage of that

If you can't do the time don't do the crime. Taking drugs into a country is a serious matter and most countries will come down hard on it. Countries in the middle east will take a much stronger stance and you should know the rules of the country you are entering.
 
i like it because of the benefits of it.
it helps a lot of people with arthritis also and those type of people who are getting relief from this plant , are people who are not lining the pockets of the drug companies who offer their own products.

That is true but don't forget there is a trade-off.
If you smoke pot you'll probably end up a complete ****** even if it has made the pain in your joints a bit better.
I've just finished a course on Drugs Awareness and the person that made our lives hell for 18 weeks was the bloke who freely admitted to smoking green at the weekend.
He was that much of an ******** promoting green that 3 people who wanted to do Level 3 backed out.
It was ironic because he wasn't aware that his drug of choice was doing this to him even though some tried to point it out.
 
The UAE would be better served if it simply deported all foreign nationals who fall foul of these kind of rules, and invite them to never darken their doorstep again or face arrest at immigration.
I seem to recall another gulf state doing this when I lived out there.
 
Drugs are bad!! you shouldn't do drugs...

Serves him right to be honest, I wouldn't mind a few more hard line laws like that in this country....please dont quote a tirade of cutting hands and heads off remarks, but if something is illegal then proper sentences that send a message should be given. Would you be stupid enough to use drugs in Dubai now...(don't answer, because if you do smoke that **** the question is rhetorical)
 
lol This place makes me laugh, we moan when foreign people want to change our laws to suit them, we moan that we aren't tough enough on crime in the UK but then we complain when a foreign country's laws are harsher than ours. Oh, but only when it affects someone British.


Wow... some sense.

You can't bitch and moan about people coming in to this country and changing things (Which I do), and then say "this is harsh, nobody deserves this" (Which I don't).

It's their country. If you don't like it, don't go there.

"When in rome... " appplies to other countries, not just the UK.

Oh, for the record, I'm White, British and Proud of it. I also partake of funny smeling cigarettes on occasion. But in no wayu would I take drugs to Dubai, Thailand etc...

Just incase.
 
"When in rome... " appplies to other countries, not just the UK.

Quite right. Doesnt matter if we agree or disagree with laws in other countries because the fact of the matter is we are not nationals there, therefore we have no say in how they run their country (unless we are talking mass genocide). All we can do is appreciate the fact that their laws may differ from ours, let alone their culture, and we have to respect that.
 
If you can't do the time, don't do the crime- especially in countries renowned/infamous (depending on your viewpoint) for having strict drug laws.

In whichever country you travel/take residence, one should certainly abide by the 'home rules' and if you choose to ignore and disregard them, then be prepared to face the consequences.

If it was such an insignificant amount he should have simply gone without. Foolish really.
 
If it was such an insignificant amount he should have simply gone without. Foolish really.

I thought he said he'd simply forgotten he was carrying it. Not that this is a particularly viable excuse, but I'm sure we've all at some point found a long-forgotten tenner in an old pair of jeans that was left there after a drunken night out. Now imagine that instead of a tenner, it was a small amount of weed from a night out. Yes I'm speculating and no I'm not trying to excuse him too much, but you've got to have a little bit of sympathy.
 
I have travelled a fair bit in my time and i always remember on landing in Malaysia that the annoucement come over the speakers and said something basically to the effect of

" Recreational drugs of all kinds are strictly prohibited in Malaysia. Procession and trafficking can lead to mandatory death sentence "
 
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