DX10 is do-able on Windows XP [INQ]

[Posty]

How do we know he didn't just make up that nvidia stuff?

 

[Lanz]

DX10 runs crap on all current hardware anyway, when Vista SP1 comes out, we'll also have new DX10 parts that work better in DX10. Until this time, Vista and DX10 offer nothing exciting or new.

 

[SOLDNER-MOFO64]

paying for an OS that is 6 years + in the making that has barely any real advantages over XP.

lol

And you mention a slight performance drop in some games (why is there a drop? it should be an UPgrade).

I've yet to see a noticeable performance drop in any game on Vista. like was posted above though....I have seen an INCREASE in performance with some...especially the newer releases such as TDU...STALKER....even FEAR runs smoother (for me) on Vista compared to XP.

Sure XP had teething problems over 98 and ME as gaming platforms but it had one advantage it was MUCH MUCH MUCH more stable. Can you say that about Vista over XP. NO and in some cases XP can be set up to be more secure.

No it came to BE more stable.....it wasn't initially. I remember the exact same threads back in the XP release days where countless people would swear by '98 and insist they would never upgrade to XP regardless of whether newer games required it or not.

As far as whether he can say Vista is more stable than XP or not......I dunno. All I know is I can say Vista is more stable than XP....and significantly more secure providing you have a modicum of knowledge as to how to configure an install properly.

To be honest the extra functionality in Vista makes XP look positively '95 like in it's blandness.

At the end of the day though your gonna get mixed responses from people on both sides of the fence. I nkow people who bash Vista simply because they don't have it, or the ability to obtain it/run it. I'm not saying this applies to you personally....just that it does apply to a lot of people.

Basically, if a user has quite a modern machine.....with reletively good specifications...and any amount of tweak knowledge (which XP itself requires to run at it's best) then you find these people have a great experience with Vista.

On the other hand, guys who spent out £300 a year ago for a top-end 7900GTX or 7950GX2 (or are stuck with 6600GT's) and for one reason or another can't or won't upgrade again...coupled with the fact they would have to fork out for a new OS to run them on to their fullest......usually make up the bulk of the "Vista is not required and is an excess) group.

 

[Scougar]

the "oem" version is around £70 on this site

But as most overclockers can burn stuff out and are often constantly upgrading, the OEM version ain't so hot, with its limited license.

I have no problem paying MS for a product, just I think it costs far to much for something that you can't realistically run games without (since they pretty much corner the PC o/s market).

I don't see the point about Vista being an 'upgrade' being valid. Vista is doing significantly more than XP was designed to do. It will also take time to optimise the system to the level of XP. If we are talking about a 10% reduction in frames, then maybe it's just time for MS/ATI/NVIDIA/etc to tweak things etc and close that gap.

Apart from the one comment on Vista running games more smoothly than XP, I think I have seen it more times said that it runs more stuttery and jerky (less smooth) in Vista. Are we talking about DX9 XP vs DX10 Vista here though or DX9 XP vs DX9 Vista?

Matthew

 

[Andric]

Its not 10% at all for dx9 vista vs dx9xp. very little diference in general and some run better in one or the other - much of this down to drivers & as drivers mature more it is likely that vista will offer improvements in most hardware dependent applications like games as its new driver model is considered superior to the old xp driver model.

Vista is definitly more stable from every knowedgeable users post I've read but as ever 'nothign is foolproof against a sufficently talented fool' & it can be crashed or made relatively unstable.

Subjectively when i run it mutitasking and swaping betweentasks seems better - the only reason I am in XP at the moment on my main machine is that I a) am developing against xp without the visual studio vista patch and b) I will be upgrading to i64 soon and will wait til then.

 

[Scougar]

Makes me laugh to think how fast windows 3.11 for workgroups would run if we tried it on Modern machines, but as ever, it would be totally lacking in features... but I bet it would 'suffice' even with really old applications. I mean, excel and word worked well on them

Matthew

 

[Schnippzle]

Makes me laugh to think how fast windows 3.11 for workgroups would run if we tried it on Modern machines, but as ever, it would be totally lacking in features... but I bet it would 'suffice' even with really old applications. I mean, excel and word worked well on them

Matthew

So did minesweeper =D

 

[Noto]

So did minesweeper =D

did 3.11 haev mine sweeper? i think it only had some other rubbish game

scratch that did a wiki and found it was

 

[MikeHunt79]

Well, vista doesn't have drivers for my maudio soundcard and my powercore DSP board. That means music production is out the window, so if I'm gonna get vista I'm gonna have to dual boot. No thanks.....

I'm gonna stick with XP, as everything works with it, and I don't even have a DX10 card.

 

[Scougar]

Yup just driver/application support that sucks at the moment

BTW.. totally off-topic.. but wow..XP-mobile at 2.8! impressive.

Matthew

 

[LoadsaMoney]

No chance, its not even do-able in Vista, the 8800 GTX gets an average of 24fps in World In conflict, and drops into the teens in Dx10.

 

[SOLDNER-MOFO64]

MIKEHUNT..........you've just given me inspiration from your RADIATOR cooling.

Kudos to you mate.....I can't believe I've never thought of that

"Babes......do we need that radiator in the lav?" lol

Klassic idea

 

[lay-z-boy]

Klassic idea

It's classic, dammit!!

And there are loads of people who use it, I used to use it on my P4c, was awesome.
xs & procooling had some pic threads somewhere, some of the set-ups were impressive.

 

[SOLDNER-MOFO64]

lol,

Just like OWNAGE means to possess, whereas PWNAGE means to beat.

Classic IMO refers to characteristics of the classical artistic and literary traditions, whereas I like to spell it with a K to differentiate the fact that I think it's AWESOME or FANTASTIC.

Just personal preference I guess

For example....if I said "That painting is classic" people may assume I meant it IS a CLASSIC.

Whereas, if I say "That painting is KLASSIC" I'd like to think most people would realise I meant it's a great picture, or a fantastic picture.

If I say "That was a CLASS move lay-z-boy" some people may get the right idea...some may not.

If I say "That was a KLASS move lay-z-boy" everyone knows exactly what I mean.......I think..lol

 

[Duke]

Could someone summarise the article for me? I found it a joke to read and couldn't understand what they were getting at.

 

[Delvis]

It's possible cause Dx10 isnt built from the ground up like they said it is/was going to be.

It's practically a better (much better theoretically) version of Dx9.

But it was a matter of time before it was do-able quite frankly. So much for Microsofts "DX10 will NOT work on Windows XP....." comment.

If they can get it working as it should, that will be awesome.

 

[Heretic1322]

Vista

I decided it was time to upgrade my whole PC back in april, and after many years of having a dodgy copy of XP i decided i would go for Vista for hassle free security updates and no threat of future annoyances etc.

I am very happy with it, the look and feel of it is great and it never crashes really. (Occasionaly games crash, but its always been recoverable, the OS doesnt crash its self)

For 67 quid Vista Premium OEM is def' worth it, thats the cost of only a few games. I dunno why gaming enthusiasts spend all the money on hardware and are really tight on spending 67quid on the latest OS.

Peace

Heretic1322

 

[SOLDNER-MOFO64]

I decided it was time to upgrade my whole PC back in april, and after many years of having a dodgy copy of XP i decided i would go for Vista for hassle free security updates and no threat of future annoyances etc.

I am very happy with it, the look and feel of it is great and it never crashes really. (Occasionaly games crash, but its always been recoverable, the OS doesnt crash its self)

For 67 quid Vista Premium OEM is def' worth it, thats the cost of only a few games. I dunno why gaming enthusiasts spend all the money on hardware and are really tight on spending 67quid on the latest OS.

Peace

Heretic1322

Too true, I spend 4 times that a month on new games. So do a lot of others.

Considering, VISTA enables your PC to operate AS A PC unlike a game which bring you a few hours of enjoyment a week......I consider it really foolish to even comment on it's worth as an OS or to insist it's simply not worth it at all.

 

[[PTG]shogun]

ive been using vista for over half a year, i have had no probs becasue of it, only about 4 becasue of faluty drivers (about 10 probs if u included beta games/software i test).


anyway i dont trust that artical, its by the inquirer and a showing no professional

 

[MikeHunt79]

MIKEHUNT..........you've just given me inspiration from your RADIATOR cooling.

Kudos to you mate.....I can't believe I've never thought of that

"Babes......do we need that radiator in the lav?" lol

Klassic idea

Thanks mang... We had a spare house rad, and it wasn't being used, so I hooked it up the computa. It was huge tho, and took up too much room, so I'm in the process of replacing it with a smaller rad. :/ I've still got some pics of the original set up tho.