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DX12 CPU Performance Leaked, Way Faster Than DX11 – Threading Model Resembles AMD’s Mantle

triss said:
Why wouldn't he be able to understand the information? :(
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Because some of it is really geeky stuff, and him thinking mantle is dx11 I very doubt he will understand it fully.

And before you think I must understand it then, the answer is no I don't understand all of it.
 
shankly1985 said:
Because some of it is really geeky stuff, and him thinking mantle is dx11 I very doubt he will understand it fully.

And before you think I must understand it then, the answer is no I don't understand all of it.
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I doubt many on here understand any of it at all, just seems people like spouting words they've seen in reviews as if they're somehow informed.
 
shankly1985 said:
My advice to you honestly go and read up about it. All the information is out there very detailed information, information I doubt even you would understand.

The way mantle runs games is completely different to how directx does.. Completely different!

Google it and prove me wrong. Google and show me why you think mantle is coping directx or using anything from directx..
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Well actually, mantle DOES get its entire basis from DX11, that is why developers like it, writing code FOR mantle is very similar, mantle rips off the entire HLSL from DX... the way it executes it is different, but the actual "business end" a developer uses is ripped straight from DX11... mantle has feature parity with DX11, why is that if it is "completely different"

Dont take my word for it, go and write some code for DX11 and then write some for mantle and see how you get on
 
Tonester0011 said:
Have you not seen my posts in this thread?
That should give you an idea as to how much i know, understand and care about whatever this thread is about :D
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I get that feel you understand nothing then, because what you doing in this thread is what you do in every single thread I see you post. In-fact I don't think I have ever seen you have a discussion about something.

All you do is post, OT/Trolling/Digs hoping someone like me now reply's back to you.

:eek:
 
shankly1985 said:
I get that feel you understand nothing then, because what you doing in this thread is what you do in every single thread I see you post. In-fact I don't think I have ever seen you have a discussion about something.

All you do is post, OT/Trolling/Digs hoping someone like me now reply's back to you.

:eek:
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If you're unsure, apostrophe S just incase ;)
 
andybird123 said:
Well actually, mantle DOES get its entire basis from DX11, that is why developers like it, writing code FOR mantle is very similar, mantle rips off the entire HLSL from DX... the way it executes it is different, but the actual "business end" a developer uses is ripped straight from DX11... mantle has feature parity with DX11, why is that if it is "completely different"

Dont take my word for it, go and write some code for DX11 and then write some for mantle and see how you get on
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If they was truly the same as you point it out then wouldn't AMD list is as Low on Porting?
DirectX 11 to mantle is Medium, while Mantle to DX12 is low..
http://www.eteknix.com/amd-demonstrates-mantle-can-be-easily-ported-to-directx-12/

This here explains why all APIs now are not the same and it does it without getting to geeky.
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/amd-mantle-performance-benchmark,3860.html
 
Hypothetical question:

Hopefully DX12 will deliver, but IF DX 12 flopped, would the NDF drop DX12 discussion into obscurity like they did with bigging up Steam OS/OGL gaming upon DX 12 reveal?:eek::o:rolleyes:;):p:D:cool:
 
*With the current shader compilation strategy in Mantle, the developers can directly leverage DirectX shader optimization efforts in Mantle. They would use the same front-end HLSL compiler for DX and Mantle, and inside of the DX and Mantle drivers we share the shader compiler that generates the shader code our hardware understands.
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http://www.pcper.com/reviews/General-Tech/Core-Mantle-Questions-Interview-AMDs-Guennadi-Riguer

They use the same high level shader language and mantle rips all of its features directly from DX, they are not "totally different" or they would be listed as porting difficulty extreme, the fact that you can port, BF4, so they said, in around 3 months means that they are practically identical in coding terms
 
Noctifer said:
Nothing happened to it. AMD never stated that they are working on a Mantle version for Linux. They stated it could be possible in the future, but nothing more than that.
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Surely it'd be a Linux version of Mantle?

But on these forums it was being said almost as a certainty that we wouldn't need Windows anymore, which was good because Win10 was going to be subscription based, as we'd all be gaming on Linux with Mantle rendering DX12 redundant.
Or something like that, in short, it got quite a lot of hype on this forum, if you can believe that...
 
GoogalyMoogaly said:
Surely it'd be a Linux version of Mantle?

But on these forums it was being said almost as a certainty that we wouldn't need Windows anymore, which was good because Win10 was going to be subscription based, as we'd all be gaming on Linux with Mantle rendering DX12 redundant.
Or something like that, in short, it got quite a lot of hype on this forum, if you can believe that...
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A lot of people do not understand the dev language. If a dev says something is talked about or on a "to do" list, it means absolutely nothing. Disregard it.

Unless a dev says that they are actively working on something don't even get your hopes up, but even then, it might never see the light of day.

Hell, there have been projects that have cost millions and took years of development time and never seen the light of day (Titan project from Blizzard is a great example).

Is there a chance we get Mantle on Linux? Yes. Are they working on it? Not that we know. Should you get your hopes up with the possibility of getting majorly disappointed? That's up to you.
 
Noctifer said:
A lot of people do not understand the dev language. If a dev says something is talked about or on a "to do" list, it means absolutely nothing. Disregard it.

Unless a dev says that they are actively working on something don't even get your hopes up, but even then, it might never see the light of day.

Hell, there have been projects that have cost millions and took years of development time and never seen the light of day (Titan project from Blizzard is a great example).

Is there a chance we get Mantle on Linux? Yes. Are they working on it? Not that we know. Should you get your hopes up with the possibility of getting majorly disappointed? That's up to you.
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Yeah, I think that was said at the time, but Huddy said something sort of related to it in a video one time, so it was a certainty or something...
 
Gregster said:
It could have been called DX11.3/4/5/6/7/8/9 or something completely different but the fact remains that AMD claimed Microsoft was dropping DX and that was wrong.

AMD have a habit of making wild claims and then retracting...

AMD calls chief gaming scientist's comments about DX12 not coming to Windows 7 "speculating"

A classic from Richard Huddy there.

Then we have Roy Taylor with his awesome tweets.



https://twitter.com/GeoffHann1/status/509671055263531008

Plus you get other info coming out.



So 4 years in the making according to nVidia

http://blogs.nvidia.com/blog/2014/03/20/directx-12/

And finally we have Forza 5 running on a Titan Black at GDC and using DX12. So they had it in an Alpha state to be able to run a game on nVidia hardware and DX12 in March of 2014 at GDC.... If it was Mantle, they managed to make nVidia run this wonderful API (which I like Mantle) in the space of a month.... So no, DX12 isn't Mantle but it aims to do the same as Mantle and that is where people seem to get confused.

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Yeah i remember that, MS and Nvidia kissing each others behinds, right after Mantle was released it was a time of MS making a lot of noise about still being relevant with Nvidia also behaving like some brat who just had its teddy stolen.

Very amusing.

Also ironic using a Titan Black to run something that will only ever run on an AMD GPU equivalent to this

That should tell you a little something, the XB1 runs on AMD hardware, not Nvidia, Forza 5 and DX12 they are associating with it has nothing to do with Nvidia, its everything to do with AMD, its just the childish reaction they both had to Mantle which prompted the LOL nonsense that was all about.

tommybhoy said:
From greggs link:





Why Roy stated what he stated???

Maybe because the other Roy(one of MS own MVP's) leaked/stated the contents of an official MS email stating 'DX is dead'-that caused one hell of a **** storm.

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Nice find.
 
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