EA Pulls Another Title From Steam

Tombo · 27 Jul 2011 at 15:29

BombayMix said:
They not selling incomplete packages. You can still buy the extra bits in game but Valve won't get a cut. Which is the real point.

Either way if it violates the agreement EA had with Valve then Valve are doing nothing wrong.

Rroff · 27 Jul 2011 at 15:32

neoboy said:
Well I suppose we'll see most of EA's catalogue migrating to Origin.

Which sucks - personally I can't be bothered with the hassle of dealing with half a dozen different downloaders/clients from different publishers if its not on steam I pretty much don't buy it any more (and I was looking forward to Mass Effect 3 too

).

rjk · 27 Jul 2011 at 15:48

neoboy said:
Well I suppose we'll see most of EA's catalogue migrating to Origin.

this

Rroff said:
Which sucks - personally I can't be bothered with the hassle of dealing with half a dozen different downloaders/clients from different publishers if its not on steam I pretty much don't buy it any more (and I was looking forward to Mass Effect 3 too ).

and this.

my huge steam account is where all of my games are.
I like the interface, the store, and all of its constantly improved features.
The one thing that annoys me is adding friends to hundreds of different services. its bad enough when games have in game friend lists that or a sub service inside a steam game such as GFWL or how the BFBC2 friends list works
its stupid how EA [more specifically BF3/Crysis2 and now DA] are still being distributed by other distribution platforms such as D2D but they are alienating users of the largest and most popular distribution service.

Of course I have origin now because I want to play BF3, but given a choice I would not use it. Origin is still publisher specific and apart from SHIFT2, Crysis2, ME and BF3, there are not many EA games I want to play. three of which from that list are on my steam.
the prospect of ME3 being origin only is saddening.

its going to get silly if other publishers start following this model. one service is enough and Origin will never rival steam in my opinion.

gropingmantis · 27 Jul 2011 at 15:53

I still stand by what I said before about Origin. I would use it if I could add older EA games that I have bought elsewhere to it. Every Valve game is avaliable on Steam or can be added to Steam using an old CD key. This is not the case with Origin. Get it sorted EA and stop being ****s and then we shall see.

Tefal · 27 Jul 2011 at 15:56

orderoftheflame said:
Except it's not exclusive to Origin, you can still get it retail, or from another DD service.

Six of one and half a dozen of the other it seems, I think the balls in Valve's court for sorting it out though. They do the exact thing with their own titles, it's a bit hypocritical to stop other publishers from doing it.

Valve aren't going to make EA do a u-turn on this, so they're only hurting themselves and customers until they find a solution IMO.

well not really what vale says is you cannot release DLC for a game that's on steam that steam customers cannot use.

EA release the dlc exclusive on origin so steam ahs no choice but to remvoe the game. as they don't want lots of people going "wtf i bought the game from you and i cant use the dlc"

Gimpymoo · 27 Jul 2011 at 16:17

BombayMix said:
They not selling incomplete packages. You can still buy the extra bits in game but Valve won't get a cut. Which is the real point.

This I hate to say seems more likely.

Saying that, they have no problems with DLC being sold exclusively through GFWL.

Gimpymoo · 27 Jul 2011 at 16:19

Tefal said:
well not really what vale says is you cannot release DLC for a game that's on steam that steam customers cannot use.

EA release the dlc exclusive on origin so steam ahs no choice but to remvoe the game. as they don't want lots of people going "wtf i bought the game from you and i cant use the dlc"

If that is the case... then it sucks to be E.A

orderoftheflame · 27 Jul 2011 at 16:23

Tefal said:
well not really what vale says is you cannot release DLC for a game that's on steam that steam customers cannot use.

EA release the dlc exclusive on origin so steam ahs no choice but to remvoe the game. as they don't want lots of people going "wtf i bought the game from you and i cant use the dlc"

Those people can always redeem their codes on Origin if the want to play the DLC. Abd from what I hear, still buy it in game with the now dropped Steam version. EA haven't put anyone in a position where the game they've paid for is "incomplete".

Don't get me wrong, I'm sure you've seen I like Steam quite a bit. However, I don't see how stopping devs from making DLC available in a way they want to control it isn't hypocritical. Valve have been dictating how other distributors supply Valve games and DLC since Steam came out. :confused:

Evilsod · 27 Jul 2011 at 16:24

Gimpymoo said:
I love Steam, HOWEVER, if it is true that Valve do not allow games to allow purchase of DLC exclusively ingame, I think Valve have overstepped the mark.

I dont think this is the case though as there are numerous games on Steam which have DLC exclusively through the GFWL marketplace.

Could this be a kink in the previos impeccable Steam armour?

Er, why exactly? I see nothing unreasonable about ensuring DLC for any game sold on steam is also available on Steam. Its pathetic having to purchase these 'points' that were designed for retards so I can buy DLC for games *cough* Mass Effect 2. Not only does it not download with the steam version but I have to install them all manually after downloading them the external site... if you can even find them. The Bioware social site is an absolute joke.

Evilsod · 27 Jul 2011 at 16:29

orderoftheflame said:
Don't get me wrong, I'm sure you've seen I like Steam quite a bit. However, I don't see how stopping devs from making DLC available in a way they want to control it isn't hypocritical. Valve have been dictating how other distributors supply Valve games and DLC since Steam came out.

Steam doesn't work in the same way as any other distributors though does it. Steam games run through Steam so any add-ons to those games will also have to run through steam. If they had no intention of putting DLC on steam then why even bother releasing it on it?

Number_25 · 27 Jul 2011 at 16:31

I hope that Steam doesn't pull BF3 from its store.

Evilsod · 27 Jul 2011 at 16:33

Doesn't it have to be on Steam before it can get pulled?

orderoftheflame · 27 Jul 2011 at 16:34

Number_25 said:
I hope that Steam doesn't pull BF3 from its store.

Steam never has had BF3 on it's store. And we've known for months that it was never going to. :confused:

CaptainRAVE · 27 Jul 2011 at 16:43

lol, not much of a loss. EA can take all their titles from there tbh - the only one I actually wanted on there was SWTOR. Probably best people don't see my play time from it anyway though

BombayMix · 27 Jul 2011 at 16:44

Gimpymoo said:
This I hate to say seems more likely.

Saying that, they have no problems with DLC being sold exclusively through GFWL.

Or off the Sims 3 store.

Tefal · 27 Jul 2011 at 16:47

orderoftheflame said:
EA haven't put anyone in a position where the game they've paid for is "incomplete".

Except of course they have because you have to dl the dlc outside of steam.
anyone who just dl's the game from steam (after having bought the dlc from elsewhere) will be unable to download it from steam with the game.

which does put Valve in the position of being forced to dispense an incomplete product at leave it to customers to sort it out.

orderoftheflame · 27 Jul 2011 at 17:06

Tefal said:
Except of course they have because you have to dl the dlc outside of steam.
anyone who just dl's the game from steam (after having bought the dlc from elsewhere) will be unable to download it from steam with the game.

which does put Valve in the position of being forced to dispense an incomplete product at leave it to customers to sort it out.

I don't require such spoon feeding to be honest... What next? Any mod maker has to submit to Steam as well, just in case we find downloading it normally too taxing.

If the roles were reversed for this, people here would still be finding a way to blame EA.

kylew · 27 Jul 2011 at 18:29

orderoftheflame said:
I don't require such spoon feeding to be honest... What next? Any mod maker has to submit to Steam as well, just in case we find downloading it normally too taxing.

If the roles were reversed for this, people here would still be finding a way to blame EA.

I think you're missing the point. EA are saying "If you want DLC, then you have to use Origin, Don't want to use it? Well no DLC for you then" I can completely see why Valve are opposed to this. It's not about them not making a cut, it's about EA almost blackmailing people in to using Origin. There are plenty of games where you can buy DLC for them outside of Steam, but they still work with the Steam version of the game, it's not cool what EA are doing here, if they want Origin to succeed and people to use it, give customers good reasons to do so, not force them to as I fully expect EA to essentially cut large parts out of games for those who aren't using Origin. It's the kinda stuff nVidia does because it's struggling to compete fairly.

Martini1991 · 27 Jul 2011 at 18:32

Tefal said:
well not really what vale says is you cannot release DLC for a game that's on steam that steam customers cannot use.

EA release the dlc exclusive on origin so steam ahs no choice but to remvoe the game. as they don't want lots of people going "wtf i bought the game from you and i cant use the dlc"

There's that, but in one case, wasn't it that the DLC was able to be bought in-game?
In your example, it makes a lot of sense, Valve would only get flack.

Shamikebab · 27 Jul 2011 at 18:32

kylew said:
I think you're missing the point. EA are saying "If you want DLC, then you have to use Origin, Don't want to use it? Well no DLC for you then" I can completely see why Valve are opposed to this. It's not about them not making a cut, it's about EA almost blackmailing people in to using Origin.

Um, isn't this EXACTLY what Valve do with ALL their games? :confused: