EA Pulls Another Title From Steam

arc@css · 27 Jul 2011 at 18:34

One would hope in the long run the more versatile form of digital distribution will maintain a good position in the market place, so in theory Steam should still be a step ahead of ones like Origin. Any other changes that might occur might affect the current balance but this can only be guess work at this early stage.

Martini1991 · 27 Jul 2011 at 18:35

Shamikebab said:
Um, isn't this EXACTLY what Valve do with ALL their games?

All games, it's consistent, everything is within Steam.

orderoftheflame · 27 Jul 2011 at 18:36

kylew said:
I think you're missing the point. EA are saying "If you want DLC, then you have to use Origin, Don't want to use it? Well no DLC for you then"

But they haven't forced anyone to do this... :confused:

Valve have always done it, but because this is EA it's a big deal now?

As far as I'm aware you can still redeem codes from within DA2, even with the Steam version..

Shamikebab · 27 Jul 2011 at 18:37

Martini1991 said:
All games, it's consistent, everything is within Steam.

Yeah, what I'm saying is if you want to play Valve games you HAVE to use Steam, will they be on Origin? I don't think so.

Surely they just blackmail people into using Steam.

Noel Gallagher · 27 Jul 2011 at 18:41

orderoftheflame said:
Steam never has had BF3 on it's store. And we've known for months that it was never going to.

That sucks man.

kylew · 27 Jul 2011 at 18:53

Shamikebab said:
Um, isn't this EXACTLY what Valve do with ALL their games?

The difference is, Valve were the first really with digital distribution, it wasn't a case of forcing you to use one digital distribution over another one, and with that Valve's games have never appeared on other Digital Distribution Services, so while you're forced to use Steam for valve games, it's not at the expense of another service. EA are trying to become successful with Origin in an "artificial" manner.

orderoftheflame said:
But they haven't forced anyone to do this... Valve have always done it, but because this is EA it's a big deal now?

As far as I'm aware you can still redeem codes from within DA2, even with the Steam version..

By making any DLC Origin exclusive, EA are forcing people to use Origin if they want DLC. I think the point is that they're saying "If you sell your games through Steam, then you have to let all customers of EA games on Steam, have access to DLC". What EA are doing is blocking Steam users from using EA DLC with their Steam version (through Steam).

orderoftheflame · 27 Jul 2011 at 19:02

kylew said:
The difference is, Valve were the first really with digital distribution, it wasn't a case of forcing you to use one digital distribution over another one, and with that Valve's games have never appeared on other Digital Distribution Services, so while you're forced to use Steam for valve games, it's not at the expense of another service. EA are trying to become successful with Origin in an "artificial" manner.

So because Steam came first, Valve have got exclusive rights to this trick? :confused:

Regardless of when they started doing it, Valve have been forcing people to use Steam for their games since it was created. When it first came out everyone was up in arms about this.

kylew said:
By making any DLC Origin exclusive, EA are forcing people to use Origin if they want DLC. I think the point is that they're saying "If you sell your games through Steam, then you have to let all customers of EA games on Steam, have access to DLC". What EA are doing is blocking Steam users from using EA DLC with their Steam version (through Steam).

Again... you can still activate DLC in game in the Steam version of DA2 can't you? You just can't buy the DLC from Steam. They're not forcing you onto the Origin platform by having Valve drop the game from Steam.

linktoinsanity · 27 Jul 2011 at 19:05

redeye_uk said:
What happens for those who purchased through Steam? i.e. If they format their computer can they still re-download the game from Steam?

It should still stay in your account. I still have Prey on my account and that had gone from steam the last time I checked.

kylew · 27 Jul 2011 at 19:20

orderoftheflame said:
So because Steam came first, Valve have got exclusive rights to this trick?

Regardless of when they started doing it, Valve have been forcing people to use Steam for their games since it was created. When it first came out everyone was up in arms about this.

Did you purposefully miss this part: "so while you're forced to use Steam for valve games, it's not at the expense of another service."? That's the argument, but you skipped over that part. I never once said it's okay because Valve have exclusive rights did I? Valve have never sold their games through another DD service, so therefore they haven't forced anyone to use a second DD service at the expense of the other, as I said.

Again... you can still activate DLC in game in the Steam version of DA2 can't you? You just can't buy the DLC from Steam. They're not forcing you onto the Origin platform by having Valve drop the game from Steam.

That's not what we're talking about, we're talking about them stopping you from activating and using DLC with non-origin games. That's why Crysis 2 went, EA was saying to get the DLC you have to use Origin, you can't get it with the Steam version.

As I pointed out, there are plenty of games you can buy DLC for outside of Steam, and activate with the Steam version no problem. The problem is them removing the ability to activate the DLC with anything but the Origin version, so it's not a case of Valve trying to force devs to sell DLC through Steam if they want to make DLC, and I'm not saying it is.

ZombieFan · 27 Jul 2011 at 20:27

kylew said:
Did you purposefully miss this part: "so while you're forced to use Steam for valve games, it's not at the expense of another service."? That's the argument, but you skipped over that part. I never once said it's okay because Valve have exclusive rights did I? Valve have never sold their games through another DD service, so therefore they haven't forced anyone to use a second DD service at the expense of the other, as I said.

So in essence, you are saying that as long as EA forces users to use Origin for all its games and doesn't distribute them to other download services then you are happy? Just like Valve does with Steam?

I can't see the fuss in all this myself. If you want to use EA games in Steam then just download and install them from Origin and add them as a non-Steam game. You don't have to use Origin once it's installed.

Tummy · 27 Jul 2011 at 21:09

I don't really play any other games that aren't on Steam / Available through Steam.

I can fully understand EA wanting the games moved to their digital distribution service, but it's a case of will people be bothered enough to mess about having multiple clients?

I probably won't, I only really play World of Warcraft and Minecraft other then my Steam games.

gropingmantis · 28 Jul 2011 at 09:07

http://www.ea.com/news/demar-at-ea-we-believe-in-choice

You guys HAVE to see this. Read the comments too. Nobody is buying the EA bull**** lets hope they realise that they aren't winning any favours with the community this way.

Evilsod · 28 Jul 2011 at 09:25

Lol @ EA filtering the word DLC...

Sleepery · 28 Jul 2011 at 10:10

You are connecting to our servers, and we want to establish on ongoing relationship with you

I just want to buy the damn game, I don't give a **** about establishing an ongoing relationship, with EA of all people, so that you can shove overpriced DLC down my throat.

Taziir · 28 Jul 2011 at 10:25

CaptainRAVE said:
lol, not much of a loss. EA can take all their titles from there tbh - the only one I actually wanted on there was SWTOR. Probably best people don't see my play time from it anyway though

^ This. cba with most EA games, this just pushes me further away.

redeye_uk · 28 Jul 2011 at 11:10

Unfortunately, if we’re not allowed to manage this experience directly and establish a relationship with you, it disrupts our ability to provide the support you expect and deserve. At present, there is only one download service that will not allow this relationship. This is not our choice, and unfortunately it is their customer base that is most impacted by this decision. We are working diligently to find a mutually agreeable solution.

Surely EA can still patch and support their products even though they are on a different platform!?

EA seem to think they know whats best for me and what I want without actually asking me. Maybe I just want to play the game and have no interest in being your friend.

VeNT · 28 Jul 2011 at 11:29

meh, DA2 is a grind fest. the mobs are wave spawning mooks without the tactics that could be used in the original game.
It's not that much of a loss!
seems like EA are doing all they can to force people onto their service, not just so they can market etc but also so that they can cut more and more from each game you buy just to sell to you later!

Gimpymoo · 28 Jul 2011 at 11:41

To all those saying "Valve sell through their own store, why cant E.A... DOUBLE STANDARDS.. BLAA BLAA BLAA"...

You are forgetting one important factor... VALVE DO NOT sell ANYWHERE else other than retail (Via E.A which is funny).

Were E.A to only sell on Origin and Retail, there would not be an issue.

HOWEVER, what they are doing is cherry picking their digital etailers.

Valve were the pioneers of Digital distribution, they took the gamble, and decided only they would sell their games digitally. E.A could have done the same thing if they wanted, they had more money than Valve. BUT NO.. E.A did not have the balls and decided to spam their games out to anyone who would sell them.

They are doing so because they know they cannot compete with Steam so are doing all these dirty tactics to try and win.

Do E.A have the balls to sell exclusively sell on Origin... of course not, they are a spineless, gutless, *** backwards company in the highest regard.

They are that spineless, they cannot "compete" with competition, they simply choose to sabotage it".

All this BS about the DLC (Which neither party has confirmed AFAIK) is just a smoke screen for what E.A is really trying to do.

They want a bigger slice of the pie, which I dont have a problem with, what I do have a problem with is the tactics they are employing to get that pie.

I am not buying BF3, some will say that is silly, but how can they honestly say "we believe in choice" yet ignore what soo many people would like as their choice?

E.A - Congratulations, in my book, you are no better than Activision, that takes some doing.