ECHR rules that defamation of Mohammed doesn't count as free expression

[dowie]

but you have a problem with something that happened 1500 years ago when the father of the bride/relatives, the non-muslims.. no one raised any objections.. perhaps it was the custom of the time.. but dont let facts get in the way..

Of course it was likely the custom at that time, why does that get in the way? Doesn't mean it is wrong to point out what we'd call it today.

Some ancient greeks used to engage in pederasty, that it was the custom at the time doesn't get in the way of commenting on it.

here's another fact - when people are usually paedophiles, they dont stop at one girl.. they have lots.. He had ONE..

So what?

 

[Dis86]

Lol. So it's now ok to only **** one child?

 

[indup]

child marriage was a norm of the society and of the time. you cant apply todays societal norms to 1500 years ago, dont be pathetic. but dont let common sense get in the way of your hate.

 

[Dis86]

child marriage was a norm of the society and of the time. you cant apply todays societal norms to 1500 years ago, dont be pathetic. but dont let common sense get in the way of your hate.

He's dictated to be the perfect whom all Muslims should emulate. This is with divine providence. Ergo if you believe this then you must accept sex with children is acceptable.
Or you don't believe it in which case you realise the whole religion is founded upon ballony by a genocide, slave taking child abuser.

 

[rare]

here's a fact - there's islamophobia in the tories - but no headlines nothing... but with antisemitism, it was all in the papers.. everyone was being forced to apologise do xyz...

There’s nothing wrong with questioning Islam. It’s just another fascist ideology wrapped up in glittery religious paper.

It’s such nonsense it amazes me so many millions of people are prepared to buy in to such a con.

 

[indup]

Ergo if you believe this then you must accept sex with children is acceptable.
Or you don't believe it in which case you realise the whole religion is founded upon ballony by a genocide, slave taking child abuser.

what a load of rubbish

and you seemingly have comprehension problems as you wouldnt have written that if you understood my first point

 

[enkoda]

child marriage was a norm of the society and of the time. you cant apply todays societal norms to 1500 years ago, dont be pathetic. but dont let common sense get in the way of your hate.

Maybe you can't, but at least today we acknowledge those societal norms (and I'm not just on about child marriage) were abhorrent. Muhammad may have been considered "perfect" back then but to peddle that nonsense in today's society is ludicrous.

 

[ZXSpectrum]

WOW… Apologists Condoning Child Sex under the guise of religion and saying "it was the norm/acceptable" back then is not a valid argument. Slavery was a sordid dark part of the past but there is no one condoning that in todays society as a matter of fact its the complete opposite and the left and radical left such as Antifa still want reparations for that.

A belief in a figurehead of a religion that had sex with a child/children will lead to people, on their understanding of that faith, to consider it acceptable in todays society. Hence the reason we have a significant influx in grooming/rape gangs from a specific religious background.

Put it this way. IF it was acceptable or "a societal norm" in Past Catholicism that it was acceptable to molest boys should all of those that have been exposed in recent years be let off?

 

[enkoda]

WOW… Apologists Condoning Child Sex under the guise of religion and saying "it was the norm/acceptable" back then is not a valid argument. Slavery was a sordid dark part of the past but there is no one condoning that in todays society as a matter of fact its the complete opposite and the left and radical left such as Antifa still want reparations for that.

A belief in a figurehead of a religion that had sex with a child/children will lead to people, on their understanding of that faith, to consider it acceptable in todays society. Hence the reason we have a significant influx in grooming/rape gangs from a specific religious background.

Put it this way. IF it was acceptable or "a societal norm" in Past Catholicism that it was acceptable to molest boys should all of those that have been exposed in recent years be let off?

It's not just the child sex, it's everything in the Quran. If the Quran says something, it's the literal word of God himself, and it must be true because Muhammad has said so.

What's not to believe about a man who had dreams so vivid they appeared real, who went to meditate in a cave (on his own), who claimed something appeared to him (without witnesses), who then had his wife's cousin confirm it was the archangel Gabriel (despite not being there) because the description apparently matched that of an appearance by Gabriel to Moses centuries beforehand (which he also wasn't present at), and then, over the next 23 years, proceeds to claim that bits lifted from the Old Testament and works of Greek scholars have been revealed to him by God (but not from God himself, but an angel)? And there is absolutely no possibility of any of this being made up because that would be considered silly/offensive/insulting/racist/blasphemous/Islamophobic/etc.

I think I've summarised that correctly but I'm happy to be proven wrong.

 

[ZXSpectrum]

It's not just the child sex, it's everything in the Quran. If the Quran says something, it's the literal word of God himself, and it must be true because Muhammad has said so.

What's not to believe about a man who had dreams so vivid they appeared real, who went to meditate in a cave (on his own), who claimed something appeared to him (without witnesses), who then had his wife's cousin confirm it was the archangel Gabriel (despite not being there) because the description apparently matched that of an appearance by Gabriel to Moses centuries beforehand (which he also wasn't present at), and then, over the next 23 years, proceeds to claim that bits lifted from the Old Testament and works of Greek scholars have been revealed to him by God (but not from God himself, but an angel)? And there is absolutely no possibility of any of this being made up because that would be considered silly/offensive/insulting/racist/blasphemous/Islamophobic/etc.

I think I've summarised that correctly but I'm happy to be proven wrong.

Bang on..

 

[Terminal_Boy]

So if you **** a kid, as long as you keep ****ing the kid until they're 18 all is cool? Good job echr, good job.

Is this the same bloke that flew a winged horse to the moon and cut it in half with a magic sword?

 

[Hotwired]

It's as if there's a magnet diverting the posts away from the actual ruling.

It's only been posted a few times but the number of references to the ACTUAL RULING and not some junk you've made up in your head are miserable.

Here it is again: https://hudoc.echr.coe.int/eng#{"itemid":["002-12171"]}

First seen on page 1, or ignored on page 1 as it may be.

 

[Dis86]

Is this the same bloke that flew a winged horse to the moon and cut it in half with a magic sword?

Aye, him.

 

[Ayahuasca]

Stupidity plays a part here too. I was in my hairdresser the other day, and the guy was an Islammer.

lol

 

[Terminal_Boy]

Aye, him.

Lad.

 

[ubersonic]

Er, guys, forget the stuff about Islam, there's a much bigger elephant in the ECHR statement.

The ECHR just said in writing that having sex with a 6 year old doesn't make you a paedophile if you stay together until she's 18... O.o

 

[Dis86]

Er, guys, forget the stuff about Islam, there's a much bigger elephant in the ECHR statement.

The ECHR just said in writing that having sex with a 6 year old doesn't make you a paedophile if you stay together until she's 18... O.o

I've already mentioned that. It's insane!

 

[dowie]

child marriage was a norm of the society and of the time. you cant apply todays societal norms to 1500 years ago, dont be pathetic. but dont let common sense get in the way of your hate.

What is your point exactly? People are well aware that it was seemingly the custom at the time, why can’t it be commented upon.

Slavery was also cool back then? Are we not allowed to comment on or criticise that because social norms were different?

One of the main motivations for allowing freedom of speech was to enable criticism of religion, it seems like pretty legitemate criticism tbh...

 

[IronWarrior]

While child marriage was the "normal" 100's or 1000's years ago, especially with royal families, the thing is, that isn't the problem in my view.

The problem is that islam and muslims view mohammed as some role model to look up too, after all, he is their "prophet", when he practised these values.

That's the problem.

Go find a new role model.

 

[ZXSpectrum]

Stupidity plays a part here too. I was in my hairdresser the other day, and the guy was an Islammer. We started talking about religion, and I was mentioning how the only religion with any "credibility" could only really be Judaism, as it was effectively the OG. I started saying that there is literally zero evidence for the "Exodus" and most qualified Scholars understand its just pure fairy tales, but this guy LITERALLY believed Moses parted an entire Sea with his hands. I said, "you are kidding, you ACTUALLY believe Moses walked into the sea and parted BILLIONS of tonnes of water, defying any known logic or physics?"

His response "It was a miracle, science only knows so much"

How low IQ does a person have to be to believe that this actually happened in this way?

Sure, perhaps there was a tidal event, a Tsumani drawback that could explain, but to LITERALLY think there was a geezer parting an entire sea with two hands? Words failed me. When you have people like that, the future of humanity is frightening.

Must have been related to Scarlett Witch.. I have seen her do stuff like that with her hands.. And she is hot!