Ed Milliband

MrMoonX said:
They are only well educated because they had rich parents, everyone should have the opportunity to be well educated, thats my point!
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There are plenty of people at Oxbridge who don't have rich parents, and received the opportunity to be well-educated through hard work.
 
Theophany said:
The unemployed don't work in the private sector. I can't spell it out any more simply than that.

Oh. Wait. I can, the height of unemployment under Thatcher was immediately after Callaghan who had already screwed the country into the ground (see: Winter of discontent, also page 7 of this PDF).
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Read your post again - you said "worked", the past tense of work. You sure you have a degree?

Oh and any analysis of Britain's economic woes that doesn't include the Barber Boom is an incomplete analysis imo.
 
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I just find it hilarious that people think unions are to blame for the current mess.

Oh really yes, it's the excessive power of labour (not the political party) that is causing the problems now isn't it. :rolleyes:

The only reason 99% of this forum have any employment rights at all is because of unions.

Thatcher is a waste of space & I won't be shedding any tears when she is gone.

Yes, the t-shirt is in bad taste (I wouldn't wear it, or support it personally) - but who said you have the right to not be offended?
 
elmarko1234 said:
I just find it hilarious that people think unions are to blame for the current mess.

Oh really yes, it's the excessive power of labour (not the political party) that is causing the problems now isn't it. :rolleyes:

The only reason 99% of this forum have any employment rights at all is because of unions.

Thatcher is a waste of space & I won't be shedding any tears when she is gone.

Yes, the t-shirt is in bad taste (I wouldn't wear it, or support it personally) - but who said you have the right to not be offended?
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Exactly, I must have missed the TUC conference where they started lending money in the form of subprime mortgages in the USA, then re-selling the debt to a bunch of Tim Nice-but-Dim's in the City.
 
Dave said:
There are plenty of people at Oxbridge who don't have rich parents, and received the opportunity to be well-educated through hard work.
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Agreed

My best mate from Barnsley (normal school, poor area) got into a college at Cambridge. He had grants like any other college.

Some people take what the tabloids print as gospel:rolleyes:
 
EdGey said:
Every time I see Ed speak, all I see is a man whom I don't wan't to become P.M.
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This allways pops into my head when i see Ed Milliband, & i really can't shake it off.
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I rather doubt Ed even read the T-shirt. Loads of people will pose for photos with him, he's just going to turn and smile for the camera.

Personally, I reckon he'd actually make a quite good prime minister as well as providing a break from the Blair/Cameron overly-style-conscious approach. Thank goodness he won instead of his brother, David M would have been a terrible PM; may as well have just got Blair back. Ed, at least, recognises the failures of New Labour and is genuinely interested in building a leftist position that mixes the best of New Labour with a willingness to admit to socialist principles.

The real question is whether you can have a man like Ed as PM in todays 24-hour news, style-obsessed political world.
 
Mr Jack said:
I rather doubt Ed even read the T-shirt. Loads of people will pose for photos with him, he's just going to turn and smile for the camera.

Personally, I reckon he'd actually make a quite good prime minister as well as providing a break from the Blair/Cameron overly-style-conscious approach. Thank goodness he won instead of his brother, David M would have been a terrible PM; may as well have just got Blair back. Ed, at least, recognises the failures of New Labour and is genuinely interested in building a leftist position that mixes the best of New Labour with a willingness to admit to socialist principles.

The real question is whether you can have a man like Ed as PM in todays 24-hour news, style-obsessed political world.
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Does he, or does he just say what people want to hear?
 
meghatronic said:
I simple cannot comprehend how going to Oxbridge and having an education is a negative.
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The problem is not having a politician Oxbridge education, private schools or privileged backgrounds; it's having a political class where the top ranks are only obtainable by such people. And, increasingly, where politicians have no experience outside of politics. In 1970, 80% of MPs had pursued successful careers before entering parliament, in 2010, 20% had; that's a real problem.
 
OldCoals said:
Does he, or does he just say what people want to hear?
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Yes, I think he does.We won't really know until he starts putting his cards on the table. Labour have lacked direction since the election but, if you pay attention, I think you can see the outlines of something being built; not so much in terms of specifics but in terms of who will be involved in building the specifics.
 
Mr Jack said:
The problem is not having a politician Oxbridge education, private schools or privileged backgrounds; it's having a political class where the top ranks are only obtainable by such people. And, increasingly, where politicians have no experience outside of politics. In 1970, 80% of MPs had pursued successful careers before entering parliament, in 2010, 20% had; that's a real problem.
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None of that changes the fact that politicians make decisions based on what is popular at the time.
 
Mr Jack said:
I rather doubt Ed even read the T-shirt. Loads of people will pose for photos with him, he's just going to turn and smile for the camera.

Personally, I reckon he'd actually make a quite good prime minister as well as providing a break from the Blair/Cameron overly-style-conscious approach. Thank goodness he won instead of his brother, David M would have been a terrible PM; may as well have just got Blair back. Ed, at least, recognises the failures of New Labour and is genuinely interested in building a leftist position that mixes the best of New Labour with a willingness to admit to socialist principles.

The real question is whether you can have a man like Ed as PM in todays 24-hour news, style-obsessed political world.
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Failures of New Labour?

I hope Margo McDonald can succesfully change Scots Law to prosectute Blair as a war criminal, even if just in principle. At least we could guarantee he wouldn't be back here at least.

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As for the last bit, where do you see evidence for such a leftist transformation?
 
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