EK Active Backplate Waterblock install for 4090 FE

Ah ok OC2000, still good to see all the different configurations you can test.

Was just a thought to test if the ABP actually does anything in exactly the same conditions.

Jay, Have you noticed any coil noise since padding them to the block?
Yeah i am happy to see all sorts of configurations so share whatever you got :cry:

I think coil whine has actually reduced now , i had small audible bit on air but would say its definitely quieter ... i expected to hear it more as now no fan noise but no its very very quite :)
 
Ah ok OC2000, still good to see all the different configurations you can test.

Was just a thought to test if the ABP actually does anything in exactly the same conditions.

Jay, Have you noticed any coil noise since padding them to the block?
I will add what I find to this thread. Unfortunately im waiting for the Z790 Apex which was meant to be delivered by now but seems the UK has been delyaed on arrivals.
 
I'm looking at the 9th, 11th and 12th pictures in your first post showing the die after cleaning. Is there a protective film on there to protect whilst you were varnishing, or is that really how clean you could get it, you say it was cement like? It somehow looks like TIM has "leached" into the die or at least tarnished it, never seen that before.
 
I'm looking at the 9th, 11th and 12th pictures in your first post showing the die after cleaning. Is there a protective film on there to protect whilst you were varnishing, or is that really how clean you could get it, you say it was cement like? It somehow looks like TIM has "leached" into the die or at least tarnished it, never seen that before.
Only the smd have varnish on them which is red and protects them. The die is perfect, the patterns you see on the die is left over residue from the Noctua alcohol wipes nothing else or anything to be worried about :)
 
Another temp test , this time running furmark with core clock and memory clock stock but with power and voltage maxed . Result is delta of water to core of 25 deg at 570w give or take so 22deg water , GPU core 47 deg and hotspot at 55 deg and pump speed is set at 2.5l per min / 150l per hour according to the byski flow sensor :) This is somewhat of a useless test as the only game i know that will have power usage this high is Metros Exodus Enhanced edition when running 4k with RT will happily use 540w+ but most games are around the 250w to 380w range and delta is a lot lower in this case . either way this is what it is at 540w+ .

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Another temp test , this time running furmark with core clock and memory clock stock but with power and voltage maxed . Result is delta of water to core of 25 deg at 570w give or take so 22deg water , GPU core 47 deg and hotspot at 55 deg and pump speed is set at 2.5l per min / 150l per hour according to the byski flow sensor :)

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Great results, I especially like the delta between core and hotspot. I have the EK 4090 block on the way for the TUF. I had been debating getting different thermal pads but don't want to run into any issues. I presume the Gelid pads you used would be similar to the ones I would need if I happened to change them up. Did you get exactly the same size ones as EK or was it a bit trickier adding them together or so forth? Thanks.
 
I am also going standard TUF 4090 block (no ABP.) Another reason for this is I would have to remove my M.2 heatsink and I like the low profile.

Thermal Pad F 1.0 mm – (120 x 16 mm) EAN: 3830046996732 Thermal Pad F 1.5 mm – (120 x 16 mm) EAN: 3830046996749 Thermal Pad G 2.0 mm – (120 x 24 mm) EAN: 3830046996794

These are the standard pads for EK and I think the Gelid's are a little bit bigger from look at the ones on the 1st page.
 
Great results, I especially like the delta between core and hotspot. I have the EK 4090 block on the way for the TUF. I had been debating getting different thermal pads but don't want to run into any issues. I presume the Gelid pads you used would be similar to the ones I would need if I happened to change them up. Did you get exactly the same size ones as EK or was it a bit trickier adding them together or so forth? Thanks.
I used Gelid Ultimate pads which are 15w/mk BUT i would strongly advice against this and would suggest you use the supplied EK thermal pads at 3w/mk and the reason is due to the Gelid pads overcooling the vram and not allowing it to get to a stable temp for max oc ability , the vram on these 4090 like to be above 43 deg from the info i can find and my own testing ... anything under this will reduce your memory oc by 50Mhz or so to get it stable. Im not to bothered about it on mine as in games i have the memory set to +1200 in AB and it is rock solid stable at that clock and has no issue with the temp being to cold just if trying to go for +1500 is not possible and has to be +1450 under 43 deg memory temp. Pad size i used exactly as EK stated so 1mm, 1.5mm and 2.0 mm on my card :)
Which pads did you use @Jay-G25?

I cancelled the active backplate order and ended up with the regular passive backplate, but would still like to use better pads if possible.

Presumably you also used the different thicknesses?

See above , stick to stock EK pads imo on the memory at least ... VRM etc can upgrade no issue. Used exactly the same size as EK state to use :)
 
Finally put my EK water block on. I used EK pads for ram, but unfortunately didn't work. Ive gone from a stable 1850 to 1680 on the ram. What's worse is I don't think ive even gained any core bins! Seems water-cooling has proven nothing but negative results so far. Still early though.
 
Just can't get memory over 38C really annoying. Port Royal used to run at 1850, now only 1500. Madness. May remove a few pads on the back. Coil whine is horrendous so I need to remove the VRM ones anyway.
Increased my speedway score to 11150 with loads of things in the back ground running on stock CPU and ram on XMP so plenty of headroom. Same with port royal got to 28600 so head room there too.
 
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Finally put my EK water block on. I used EK pads for ram, but unfortunately didn't work. Ive gone from a stable 1850 to 1680 on the ram. What's worse is I don't think ive even gained any core bins! Seems water-cooling has proven nothing but negative results so far. Still early though.
Yeah the ram is strange on these , have seen people even report that on air it will black screen if they run it cold at max oc and have to reduce it to get it stable. Mine dropped just 50mhz on the memory to get stable although as I mentioned earlier in games I have it set to +1200 and is rock solid stable no matter what temp . Not ideal for extreme benchmarks but perfectly fine with a good stable gaming oc on the memory.

Strange you haven't gained any boost bins though. What does it do now and what would it do previously? For reference using heaven as an example previously I was able to get the core to 3135mhz at 55deg but under water could now reach 3180mhz at 40 deg ( artifacts at 3180 ) so around 3 boost bins due to temp . It will drop its 1st bin at about 43 deg . 3165mhz is about the max stable I can get my core without it producing artifacts.

I will agree from a performance point of view watercooling hardly offers anything over air cooling this time . Only plus I can see is a lot less noise , potentially better looks although the FE is stunning design and the card being a lot smaller in a waterblock .
 
Just can't get memory over 38C really annoying. Port Royal used to run at 1850, now only 1500. Madness. May remove a few pads on the back. Coil whine is horrendous so I need to remove the VRM ones anyway.
Increased my speedway score to 11150 with loads of things in the back ground running on stock CPU and ram on XMP so plenty of headroom. Same with port royal got to 28600 so head room there too.
If they are genuine score with no artifacting then that is good imo . the best on my FE is 10940 for speedway and 28299 for Port royal . Your current score would put you no1 on the speedway thread on here so something is clearly working :cry: What were your best scores on air to compare ?
 
Removing VRM pads eliminated all coil whine. Put EK pads all over back except over the CPU area. Re-ran Port Royal at 3075 mhz and 1730 mhz memory and score 28970
cpu is still stock no optimisations or anything. I still have loads of headroom for more. before removing VRM pads on the back I couldn't go higher than 1500 on mem.
 
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If they are genuine score with no artifacting then that is good imo . the best on my FE is 10940 for speedway and 28299 for Port royal . Your current score would put you no1 on the speedway thread on here so something is clearly working :cry: What were your best scores on air to compare ?
Yep no artifacting at all. Getting 28960 on Port Royal now, I think with optimisation ill push another 500 points easy. After removing VRM pads on back, I can do port royal now at 1780 mhz. Can't bin any higher though.
 
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Removing VRM pads eliminated all coil whine. Put EK pads all over back except over the CPU area. Re-ran Port Royal at 3075 mhz and 1730 mhz memory and score 28970
cpu is still stock no optimisations or anything. I still have loads of headroom for more. before removing VRM pads on the back I couldn't go higher than 1500 on mem.
Sounds like its certainly working now then , so you removed the pads from the rear of the pcb and it has allowed you to clock memory higher? I've not bothered stripping mine down as am happy with where its at temp wise . Next year when I switch cpu will look at redoing the thermal pads but currently don't see the need to chase that last 50mhz when my biggest issue holding me back in most benchmarks is the cpu and ram setup being so old now :cry: you have some really solid scores now though, very impressive :D

Also just to add can't say the coil whine has got any worse on mine , if anything was the opposite for me and became even quieter :confused:
 
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Sounds like its certainly working now then , so you removed the pads from the rear of the pcb and it has allowed you to clock memory higher? I've not bothered stripping mine down as am happy with where its at temp wise . Next year when I switch cpu will look at redoing the thermal pads but currently don't see the need to chase that last 50mhz when my biggest issue holding me back in most benchmarks is the cpu and ram setup being so old now :cry: you have some really solid scores now though, very impressive :D

Also just to add can't say the coil whine has got any worse on mine , if anything was the opposite for me and became even quieter :confused:
Obviously nothing is for certain, but removing the VRMs pads on the back has helped so far. Maybe I just didn't it enough time to bake in. A lot of variables.

What is for certain though is ASUS card with coil whine amplify it with a water-cooled back plate on the back. EK 2 years ago told me to remove them and it eliminates it. It has this time too. VRMs on the back never get hot so its totally fine.

I still need to try colder water to see if I can get a higher bin, but need a nice day to put the MO-RA outside.
 
Obviously nothing is for certain, but removing the VRMs pads on the back has helped so far. Maybe I just didn't it enough time to bake in. A lot of variables.

What is for certain though is ASUS card with coil whine amplify it with a water-cooled back plate on the back. EK 2 years ago told me to remove them and it eliminates it. It has this time too. VRMs on the back never get hot so its totally fine.

I still need to try colder water to see if I can get a higher bin, but need a nice day to put the MO-RA outside.
My Strix squealed like a pig in its EK water block so I certainly know what you mean there :cry: interesting that removing the thermal pads shuts it up, never knew that! My FE is silent so will leave the pads on but good to know for future reference :D

As for a cold day I'm not sure where you are but here in London it's absolutely freezing at the minute.. like 3 deg outside . Perfect for some pc / rad outside benchmarks :D if mine didn't weigh 60kg I'd have it out in the garden getting chilled ;)
 
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