El Salvador

[explicit4u]

From BBC:

"Tens of thousands of suspected gangsters have been rounded up in the country under a state of emergency following a spike in murders and other violent crime."

I have put the important word in bold. It looks like most of them haven't been to court yet. However, they don't exactly look like nuns!

Being rounded up in chains and herded into square formations seem a bit barbaric / out-dated to me, but they have committed the crime and now need to do the time, as long as their convictions are solid.

See this from late last year:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-63793652

"Evidence suggests hundreds, perhaps thousands of people with no discernible link to gang crime have been caught in the dragnet."

 

[Hotwired]

See this from late last year:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-63793652

"Evidence suggests hundreds, perhaps thousands of people with no discernible link to gang crime have been caught in the dragnet."

Priorities.

We ditched the death penalty because of hand wringing over lack of certainty.

They are lowering the bar of certainty to maximise the number of gangsters they jail.

 

[Semple]

See this from late last year:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-63793652

"Evidence suggests hundreds, perhaps thousands of people with no discernible link to gang crime have been caught in the dragnet."

Not sure I buy that though. I'm sure there may be the odd number who get caught up in this. But pretty much everyone else will be affiliated with a gang, whether they've committed a crime or not. They would definitely have been present when a crime took place, they're just choosing out of loyalty not to grass up their fellow gang members.

A lot of these are forced to join a gang because the alternative is much much worse.

 

[Hotwired]

Not sure I buy that though. I'm sure there may be the odd number who get caught up in this. But pretty much everyone else will be affiliated with a gang, whether they've committed a crime or not. They would definitely have been present when a crime took place, they're just choosing out of loyalty not to grass up their fellow gang members.

A lot of these are forced to join a gang because the alternative is much much worse.

Loyalty or fear of being tortured to death while being filmed on a mobile phone for talking?

The gangs have enormous power and enforce it with brutality.

I can sympathise with the brute force approach from the authorities, a scruffy neighbourhood of chavs in england is not what they're dealing with.

 

[dowie]

"Evidence suggests hundreds, perhaps thousands of people with no discernible link to gang crime have been caught in the dragnet."

What evidence?

I can believe they may well have made mistakes given the numbers and that is worrying, though the footage released shows a load of men pretty much all covered in what look like obvious gang tattoos.

 

[Chris Wilson]

Proper prison, we should be building a lot more. Rehabilitation is an unlikely bonus, first get the incarceration sorted

 

[C Kent]

Read about this a week or so ago (not BBC obvs) with the gang round up having seen homicides etc drop massively, somewhere around 60% plus in places. Working so far!

 

[Josh]

I had a scouse lad I locked up in Brixton prison once, on his first night behind the door I told him we didn't have any pillows, he said it was fine (unusual) and then told me he'd been banged up in El Salvador and then deported for trying to smuggle drugs out, he was just glad to be alive.

Only food he got was as/when the embassy people turned up to see him. No visits, only jobs inside were gang controlled, all the guards were paid off by different gangs, it sounded like hell.

He never once complained about being in Prison in the UK.