Electric Bike Conversion Kit or Electric Bike?

Clearly some people dont like to take advice, only give. That in other terms is called big headed and stuck up lol what the matter wesley? Ur always getting ur knickers in a twist when someone triws to tell you something. Pedelecs make ur journey quicker and easier. Not just easier. As your average speed will be higher. Do the math then come back and have a sissy fit like ealier in the thread
 
ebikenewb said:
Energize, you are defo crazy. £600 base bike? From a business perspective, your a victim of marketing and I pity people like you because you spend big money for the same quality. No offence, this is something I do know what im talking about.
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My base bike for my commuter was £700 and the off road one was £2000.

Yes - a £200 bike and a £700 bike do the same job. But so does a £10k Fiesta and a £40k Jag XF. But one is more enjoyable to use than the other - and the same goes for bikes. And that's even before we start getting into reliability.

No offence, but it doesn't sound like you know what you're talking about. I do - cytech level 3 trained and I've built five ebikes. But I'm done offering you advice, you obviously know best. Go ahead and make the mistakes we're all trying to help you avoid - it sounds like it's the only way you'll come to realise the truth of it.

On another note, one GBK-140CST rear hub, EM3EV 6 fet 4110 controller, Mavic A319 rim, black stainless spokes and Cycle Analyst v2.3 ordered for my new stealth conversion! Will be using three 5s5ah lipo packs in 15s1p config (63v5ah) in a stealthy saddle bag - don't need much capacity as it will only be for commuting 1.5 miles to uni and I can put a bigger battery on it in a pannier if I go on a bigger ride. I'll update my build log @ http://www.pedelecs.co.uk/forum/threads/new-build.9442/ for those that might be interested.
 
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The difference between jag and fiesta is material, design, branding, space and power. Bikes are only for 1 person, materials the same, design is similar, power is on you, not the bike.
 
ebikenewb said:
The difference between jag and fiesta is material, design, branding, space and power. Bikes are only for 1 person, materials the same, design is similar, power is on you, not the bike.
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Yeah whatever.

If you try to accelerate a 15kg mass with 250watts and a 10kg mass with the same 250watts, which one has the faster acceleration?
 
ebikenewb said:
Clearly some people dont like to take advice, only give. That in other terms is called big headed and stuck up lol what the matter wesley? Ur always getting ur knickers in a twist when someone triws to tell you something. Pedelecs make ur journey quicker and easier. Not just easier. As your average speed will be higher. Do the math then come back and have a sissy fit like ealier in the thread
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you talk like 10 year old boy

i've done at least 5,000 miles on an non electric bike to work, 1,000 miles on the stealth.

average speed on the non electric bike (trek hybrid bike 7.1) around 18-19mph

average speed on the stealth is around 18-19mph. the 250w motor only push up to about 19mph on very flat road. i weight over 16stone.

the aim i had with the electric bike was getting to work easier.

i'm very sorry that my 1,000 miles experience on an ebike doesnt help your researching for a new ebike.
 
I am surprised that the average speed is higher on your road bike than on a de-restricted e-bike as it seems to defy the laws of physics. E = 1/2MV^2. While they are heavier, weight has no effect on maximum velocity on the flat, and the 250W motor more than makes up for the weight on hills.

ebikenewb said:
There's a difference between NEEDS and WANTS.
You may NEED a cycle to take you from a to b. This will fit comfortably in the 200-300 £ range.
Then theres WANTS. You can have that carbon fibre, hydraulic brakes, 2kg lighter bike for £600+.
Do they do the same job? Yes.
Do they both hit decent speeds? Yes (+/-5mph)
Do they offer comfort? Yes.
Do they both stop well when the breaks are squeezed? Yes.
Do they both have two wheels and a frame? Yes.
Are you going to sleep on it? No.
Does one or both protect you from the elements? No

Why would you want to spend £500 more for a bike that does the same job?
Case rested.
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Yes there is a difference between needs and wants, I don't believe I said anyone needed a £600 base.

And no they are not the same, the road bike weighing 12kg less (not 2kg) has better acceleration and hill climbing speed than the 25kg pre-built jobs, and is far more reliable.

And by far the most important thing, the components are not going to fail over the course of a few months or cause a crash when the front brake suddenly fails, that I would certainly pay £500 for.


Im not rude im just straight up type of guy, sorry if I come across as rude, dont mean to.
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No, you are rude. You are calling me "deffo crazy" and making me out to be a moron because I gave a suggestion you don't like. While simultaneously (wrongly) claiming you are an expert on the subject.
 
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Energize said:
No, you are rude. You are calling me "deffo crazy" and making me out to be a moron because I gave a suggestion you don't like. While simultaneously (wrongly) claiming you are an expert on the subject.
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I told him a few posts back about his attitude.
He comes asking questions and then is very rude about replies he doesn't like but all the time he knows all the answers anyway.
 
Latest project - just got the hub (Q100 rear cassette model), rim and spokes delivered and built it into a wheel this afternoon.

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Currently waiting on an EM3EV 6fet programmable controller and a CA V2.3 computer. Should be good for 25mph with a neutral wind - but it's a low power motor (I'll be running it at 750watts) so not great for hills (but I don't have any round here) and will struggle with stiff winds.

It'll be built onto this:-

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ebikenewb said:
There's a difference between NEEDS and WANTS.
You may NEED a cycle to take you from a to b. This will fit comfortably in the 200-300 £ range.
Then theres WANTS. You can have that carbon fibre, hydraulic brakes, 2kg lighter bike for £600+.
Do they do the same job? Yes.
Do they both hit decent speeds? Yes (+/-5mph)
Do they offer comfort? Yes.
Do they both stop well when the breaks are squeezed? Yes.
Do they both have two wheels and a frame? Yes.
Are you going to sleep on it? No.
Does one or both protect you from the elements? No

Why would you want to spend £500 more for a bike that does the same job?
Case rested.
Im not rude im just straight up type of guy, sorry if I come across as rude, dont mean to.
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cheap bikes are a false economy....
 
Dimple said:
Have a look at this AmigaFan - http://www.cyclotricity.com/rear-drive-electric-bike-kit/

Look down at the 1000 watt motor for £250 but if you want a battery it costs £679 :eek:
Why such a price difference?
Could the frame battery be sourced for a lot cheaper?
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So that's a £429 difference?

A 48v11ah battery is £350 dleivered from here so add £80 customs duty and your at about the same price.

You can get cheaper batteries from BMS battery and GBK but they aren't going to be high enough quality to reliably drive a 1000watt motor.

Of course, if you're willing to use lipo packs then it's a lot cheaper, but you really need to know what your doing with them, be really strict on your charging and discharging routine and respect them - or else they'll burn your house down:-

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The above 63v12ah pack cost me £260 inc the custom made harness.
 
Just thought I'd drop back in here to say I decided to go the 125cc motorbike route.

Bike - £1,350
CBT - £99
Clothing and helmet - £500
Total cost - £1,949

Compared to my Volvo, which does 30mpg on my rural / urban commute, I'm doing 110mpg and saving £80 per working month on fuel. Therefore I should pay the cost of the bike and clothing back in two years, not to mention the time saving, the sheer fun of it, the saving in wear and tear on my car, and the fact that the bike will barely depreciate in that time.

I know this is the electric bike thread, but I just thought I'd drop in to say - don't forget about the motorbikes!
 
ebikenewb said:
There's a difference between NEEDS and WANTS.
*snip*
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By bike was £999 brand new 4 years ago and it's still going strong. Never had a problem other than usual expandables and wear and tear. I cycle it every day plus longer sportives.

Commuting alone means I've spent about 350 hours on it, and it's probably closer to 1,000 hours in all.

£1 an hour is pretty good value and I doubt very much I'd have had the same reliability and enjoyment on a cheaper bike.
 
Participant said:
Bike - £1,350
CBT - £99
Clothing and helmet - £500
Total cost - £1,949
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Is the insurance and tax free?

Participant said:
I know this is the electric bike thread, but I just thought I'd drop in to say - don't forget about the motorbikes!
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I can't drive a motorbike down the 12 mile long, car free, coastal cycle route that's on my door step though ;-)
 
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amigafan2003 said:
I can't drive a motorbike down the 12 mile long, car free, coastal cycle route that's on my door step though ;-)
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people don't understand these paths are everywhere.

I can go almost any direction from Newcastle mostly on cycle paths if I choose too.

you can cut travel time down massively compared to a car or motorbike

http://www.opencyclemap.org/

massive network of official routes that are mostly cycle paths of quiet roads.
zoom in closer and the dotted blue/purple lines are also cycle paths or trails
 
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