The Govt does intend at some point to go over to a charge per mile system. They have even done papers and trials on it. Its the future and its coming with all these cars connected to the internet at all times. I can see exactly how many miles, when and on what roads I have driven my BMW on. Easier enough to come up with a charging system where you might get charged £1.50 per mile for being on the M25 at rush hour but on a rural country lane at 11am you may only get charged 20p per mile.
Electric vehicles will no longer be exempt from vehicle excise duty from April 2025
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The Govt does intend at some point to go over to a charge per mile system. They have even done papers and trials on it. Its the future and its coming with all these cars connected to the internet at all times. I can see exactly how many miles, when and on what roads I have driven my BMW on. Easier enough to come up with a charging system where you might get charged £1.50 per mile for being on the M25 at rush hour but on a rural country lane at 11am you may only get charged 20p per mile.
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So £165 for all? Could have based it off of vehicle weight, battery size or efficiency or a combination of one or more that'd be better in my opinion. From £50 to £250 or something like that.
Should be encouraging people into small/light & efficient EV's.
Should be encouraging people into small/light & efficient EV's.
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How many times must this be repeated, everybody does pay for the roads, even your old Grannie who never goes out of the house.
There is no special mythical tax that goes towards the roads although there should be one.
I was about to agree, but tbh with regeneration they aren't as much of an issue for EVs. Less efficient, sure, but not that big a difference.
i agree it does come from central taxation and yet commercial vehicles are charged based on the number of wheels and weight on the grounds that the more weight per wheel does more damage to the road and hence they should pay higher road tax. A vehicle with 5 axles is charged more than a vehicle with 6 axles when carrying the same payload.
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Whatever, I still believe all car owners should pay vehicle tax.
The current system has always seemed discriminatory towards the poor to me.
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They do through General Taxation, Council Tax, tax on their fuel be it fossil or electric and even buying a Mars Bar.
Obviously you want to go back to pre 1937 when there was a tax for using the roads.
What about pedestrians when they step onto the road ?So zero emission vehicles now pay vehicle exercise duty. Does that mean that cyclists will be be liable to pay it?
VED was always coming to electric cars, same as there will have to be a way to reclaim the eye watering levels of fuel tax once ICE cars dwindle. Just didn't expect it until after the new sale ban.
Editing old tax bands in this manner feels new though, and that could become a dirty tool to encourage uptake of over priced new cars, ie stick method on old rates rather than carrot on new rates
Editing old tax bands in this manner feels new though, and that could become a dirty tool to encourage uptake of over priced new cars, ie stick method on old rates rather than carrot on new rates
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the only stupid part of the announcement is the £40k threshold. It hasn’t moved in 5 years and doesn’t look like it’s moving any time soon.
Inflation has been slowly shipping away at it and then there is the last year where prices have massively accelerated. Loads more cars now fall into the threshold than was ever intended.
That said, I think I worked out that VED probably needs to be in the £500 range for cars to make up for fuel duty loses. That could be spread more progressively based on the vehicle. E.g. want a lambo? That will be £3k please. Want a Renault twizzy? That will be £150.
While fuel duty raises £33b or something like that, not all of that comes from cars. Vans, lorries, other commercial vehicles, generators, marine etc all use fuel and pay duty. The replacement does not need to replace £33b from cars alone.
Edit: I should add the fixed £ threshold that never moves is a classic tactic by governments to raise ever increasing revenues over time without people noticing.
Inflation has been slowly shipping away at it and then there is the last year where prices have massively accelerated. Loads more cars now fall into the threshold than was ever intended.
That said, I think I worked out that VED probably needs to be in the £500 range for cars to make up for fuel duty loses. That could be spread more progressively based on the vehicle. E.g. want a lambo? That will be £3k please. Want a Renault twizzy? That will be £150.
While fuel duty raises £33b or something like that, not all of that comes from cars. Vans, lorries, other commercial vehicles, generators, marine etc all use fuel and pay duty. The replacement does not need to replace £33b from cars alone.
Edit: I should add the fixed £ threshold that never moves is a classic tactic by governments to raise ever increasing revenues over time without people noticing.
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So zero emission vehicles now pay vehicle exercise duty. Does that mean that cyclists will be be liable to pay it?
I will gladly pay £10 a year, it might be less.
I'm quite surprised that some like yourself don't cry yourselves to sleep because of the major differences in how much motorists pay.
My Brother in law has got a big Jaguar and he pays £30 a year where we pay around £140 for a little Ford B-Max, doesn't make sense.
To have a level playing field we all need to be paying the exact same amount.
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So zero emission vehicles now pay vehicle exercise duty. Does that mean that cyclists will be be liable to pay it?
Nah we ride on the pavement
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Sure, charge cyclists proportionally for their wear and tear on the infrastructure.
Then realise charging them costs more than the tax
Some people just don't get this
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exactly they are just setting the booby traps for labour or whoever else come along. then they can sit back and say the new goverment are putting up costs. typical kicking the can down the road tactics
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