Elon Musk

glenimp617 · 8 Mar 2018 at 14:33

Has anyone thought he might be a time traveller? I mean a few years ago nobody had ever heard of him.......now he's building eletric cars and space rockets (which I might add, come back to earth and land)

John Titor?

dowie · 8 Mar 2018 at 14:53

Glaucus said:
if its a simulation this makes no difference.

Why?

If we're living in a simulation and the 'real' universe from which we're simulated in exists in a way we can't even comprehend then how do you propose existing in that 'real' universe even if we assume that escaping to it is possible?

Glaucus · 8 Mar 2018 at 15:21

dowie said:
Why?

If we're living in a simulation and the 'real' universe from which we're simulated in exists in a way we can't even comprehend then how do you propose existing in that 'real' universe even if we assume that escaping to it is possible?

we can and already have comprehended many dimensions.

dowie · 8 Mar 2018 at 15:24

Glaucus said:
we can and already have comprehended many dimensions.

yes, but that doesn't answer my question... we are able to live in the current universe we're in, if it is a simulation we still don't know what form the 'real' universe takes and escape into that universe doesn't necessarily make any sense... that is the point.

Glaucus · 8 Mar 2018 at 15:28

dowie said:
yes, but that doesn't answer my question... we are able to live in the current universe we're in, if it is a simulation we still don't know what form the 'real' universe takes and escape into that universe doesn't necessarily make any sense... that is the point.

no your original point was about only being able to exist in the origina dimensions, which makes no sense. if its a simulation then it is like some form of computer program, it is easy to envision how you could escape from it and original dimensions make no difference.

now your saying we dont know what it is so we may not be possible, well yeah. pointless statment and argument which leads no where.

Psycho Sonny · 8 Mar 2018 at 15:37

=XDC=FluphyBunny said:
Work at a hire company, no way in the world would I rent my personal car out to anyone !

it's completely different if it's being self driven. than random people revving them past redline all day long.

all you would need to do is set up a reverse dashcam and bill for anyone that makes a mess. then get it to drive itself to a valet service once a week.

dowie · 8 Mar 2018 at 15:37

Glaucus said:
no your original point was about only being able to exist in the origina dimensions, which makes no sense. if its a simulation then it is like some form of computer program, it is easy to envision how you could escape from it and original dimensions make no difference.

I know what my original point was thanks, I made it, I also then gave an example (with 2D beings) in order to illustrate it

Glaucus said:
now your saying we dont know what it is so we may not be possible, well yeah. pointless statment and argument which leads no where.

Not really, that is the point! If we are living in a simulation we don't even know what form the 'real' universe takes ergo the question of escape could be nonsense in the first place:

dowie said:
it still doesn't necessarily make sense, I mean the idea that we could break out - even if we were in a simulator the idea of breaking out could be complete nonsense...

Glaucus · 8 Mar 2018 at 15:40

dowie said:
I know what my original point was thanks, I made it, I also then gave an example (with 2D beings) in order to illustrate it

Not really, that is the point! If we are living in a simulation we don't even know what form the 'real' universe takes ergo the question of escape could be nonsense in the first place:

which was a wrong illustration which made no sense.

and again pointless point. stating it may not be possible isnt enlightening, no one said it was 100% possible etc.

dowie · 8 Mar 2018 at 15:59

Glaucus said:
which was a wrong illustration which made no sense.

to you... but since it has taken several posts to just highlight a fairly simple point then..

and again pointless point. stating it may not be possible isnt enlightening, no one said it was 100% possible etc.

It was a reply to the idea that some billionaires might be interested in "escaping" - I just commented that even if we were in a simulated universe then the very idea of escaping might well be nonsense... I thought that was fairly clear but apparently not.

glenimp617 · 8 Mar 2018 at 18:40

dowie said:
to you... but since it has taken several posts to just highlight a fairly simple point then..

It was a reply to the idea that some billionaires might be interested in "escaping" - I just commented that even if we were in a simulated universe then the very idea of escaping might well be nonsense... I thought that was fairly clear but apparently not.

Unless there is a way to escape and we just need to find it.

krooton · 9 Mar 2018 at 09:31

TheOracle said:
Unless there is a way to escape and we just need to find it.

Username checks out

Sankari · 9 Mar 2018 at 15:11

It is good as long as the typical system is not followed.

dowie · 9 Mar 2018 at 17:38

krooton said:
Username checks out

NiCkNaMe · 10 Mar 2018 at 09:35

dowie said:
the point was more just that escape doesn't necessarily make any sense - I create a world on a server, the beings in that world are self aware... they eventually discover they're in a simulation... but still they have no control over anything outside of their world - escape is meaningless, they exist as 1s and 0s on the server and that is all

Surely that's the point though. If you created a sim and the beings became sentient and realised they are in a sim then they could explore opportunities to break out. Like any computer system or network it's only as strong as the security around it, and if they exist as 1s and 0s what's to stop them manipulating the higher world, take control of a "real" system and download their consciousness to it? That real system could be anything, it could be a computer program that exists on the internet, or it could be a robot, smart assistant, etc.

How I see it is we're at the stage where anything we can create downwards (I.e. Our own AI) would for the foreseeable be using the same technology, i.e classic compute with normal bits. So in that scenario for the AI to breakout it'd be manipulating the "real" world using the same techniques and languages as we are current using.

But what's to say we were created X period of time ago using X technology and our creators are now using Y technology. So for us to break out requires technological evolution, e.g. Quantum+ in order to be able to manipulate our higher world?

This could be ad infinitum moving up and down the chains of worlds. The more I see advances in AI, learning, cognition, the more I believe in this theory. Everything about us and our world can be explained and re created through data. Even the universe is like a virtual world that has just been developed far enough for us to see.

dowie · 10 Mar 2018 at 11:54

NiCkNaMe said:
Surely that's the point though. If you created a sim and the beings became sentient and realised they are in a sim then they could explore opportunities to break out. Like any computer system or network it's only as strong as the security around it, and if they exist as 1s and 0s what's to stop them manipulating the higher world, take control of a "real" system and download their consciousness to it?

Well not necessarily, suppose for example the computer isn't connected to a network.

NiCkNaMe · 10 Mar 2018 at 14:19

dowie said:
Well not necessarily, suppose for example the computer isn't connected to a network.

Not the only way to leak though, could activate connectivity if it's all disabled, use resonance or some form to send data, connect to peripherals and escape that way. Even in air gapped networks there are ways to get in/out as very difficult to remain fully functional and be useful without some external interactions (think upgrades, data loads etc)

Also we're assuming standard connectivity, who's to say in higher worlds physics doesn't work differently and Connecticut as we know it is completely different

sigma · 10 Mar 2018 at 14:55

dowie said:
Well not necessarily, suppose for example the computer isn't connected to a network.

Via the power grid perhaps?

Rroff · 10 Mar 2018 at 15:01

NiCkNaMe said:
This could be ad infinitum moving up and down the chains of worlds. The more I see advances in AI, learning, cognition, the more I believe in this theory. Everything about us and our world can be explained and re created through data. Even the universe is like a virtual world that has just been developed far enough for us to see.

What I find interesting though I'm way out of my depth and could be completely wrong is that the more we look at the most fundamental levels of our existence the more we see the need for an observer/interaction (wave/particle duality, etc.) for coherence - outside of what is being observed seems to exist in a more fuzzy state (probably more 4D like) and that there is a lack of anything that resembles basic building blocks for awareness in the low level mechanics* - to me that suggest that if this is a simulation whatever is observing it is itself external to whatever is processing it.

* Not to say that they aren't there and we just don't recognise it, etc. but so far when assuming they are there and superimposing say "nebulous awareness" things start to act very weird and unlike our existence as we see it.

dowie · 10 Mar 2018 at 15:56

NiCkNaMe said:
Also we're assuming standard connectivity, who's to say in higher worlds physics doesn't work differently and Connecticut as we know it is completely different

I'm not assuming anything I'm just trying to illustrate an example where escape perhaps isn't possible or indeed isn't meaningful (such as a 2D being wanting to escape to a 3D universe - that was supposed to be an overly simplified example).

I'm not saying that a being in a simulated universe can't escape I'm saying that given someone is in a simulated universe we don't know if escape is possible or even meaningful for them.

sigma said:
Via the power grid perhaps?

Well let's make it battery powered then. Though tbh... you'd need something else connected to the power grid that is able to receive any signal generated in a meaningful way.

mrbazmondo · 11 Mar 2018 at 00:03

Rather than escaping to the "real" universe you could maybe escape to another simulated universe.

Anyhow - autonomous summonable self driving cars. Is that going to be a world where you browse to the wrong website and get hacked, then later your car drives off to the other side of the country never to be seen again?

Another thing Elon like talking about is "neural lace". If that works its probably either going to end with us all being like the borg off startrek, or like the film "Gamer".