EMA to stop?

Amp34 · 9 Dec 2006 at 21:38

$loth said:
Wouldn't that be incredibly hard to manage? Therefore just buy giving the money out it is easier?

Not really, and in comparison to what we have now with EMA (people to send you forms, people to check the forms to see if you are eligable and check they are right, people to pay you the money, people to answer your issues by phone and other randoms) I would say it would be a hell of a lot easier and less time consuming.

As I said most of the things I posted are going on to a minor degree anyway, plus you have to remember what i proposed was blanket help to everyone, once you get rid of the selective issues it becomes a lot easier to manage. On the food front most schools already have food cards or similar for kids whose parents are low income, that can just be extended to sixth form with almost no extra cost to the school managerially(and the food option is the only thing i woud really say is something that should be selective)

I think the reason the government didn't/haven't implemented these ideas is because they are trying to send out two messages at the same time. To the students its "come stay at school and we will give you free money to spend on whatever you want" and to most other people "we are giving students from low income families money to pay for essential school equipment."

It's not for essentials only, its to bribe people to stay in school longer in some misguided idea that all people are as academically intelligent and able as each other and that school is the only way to make people useful to society. Nothing will change until the government realise some people just aren't cut out to stay at school and that they should concentrate on the people who want and are able to learn, leaving the rest to find jobs in the outside world. Its the same problem as the university fiaso. For some reason the government seem to think uni is suitable for everyone and that everyone should have a degree, its not and they shouldn't. The sooner the government learn the better.

Vonhelmet · 9 Dec 2006 at 22:12

$loth said:
Me too!

Ha...hahaha to those who didn't get it

Your name seems somewhat apt.

alexakasloth · 9 Dec 2006 at 22:15

vonhelmet said:
Your name seems somewhat apt.

Yet i've been working since I could :rolleyes:

DunK1 said:
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Edit: Thanks Yewen.

gareth.e · 9 Dec 2006 at 23:52

i think they should scrap it...

i worked it out and my friend got something like £3 for each lesson (1 or 2 hour) he turned up to :mad:

and i even managed to get his ema signed by a teacher by me stealing it secretly and walking up to the teacher... they didn't even check to see the name :/

ema basically means:
if you parents worked hard at school and got good jobs it means you have to work hard at school and sustain a job to get by and get a good job.

where as if your parents are lazy or couldn't be bothered at school, they are going to pay you money to sit in a class room and try get you a good job.

does this mean:?
...if you parents worked hard you have to work even harder?
...if you parents didn't bother to work hard.. you don't even have to work?
:mad:

Raikiri · 9 Dec 2006 at 23:58

Your parents can still work hard without earning that much money :rolleyes:

vincent1989 · 10 Dec 2006 at 08:21

Raikiri said:
Your parents can still work hard without earning that much money

yup, like my dad works his arse off to support 5

jcb33 · 10 Dec 2006 at 08:30

locutus12 said:
me too

Me Three

Then we will get people working hard again because they actualy want to get somewhere in life, not to get that £100 bonus and a free ipod, back in the day we worked because we wanted to!

alexakasloth · 10 Dec 2006 at 08:55

jcb33 said:
Me Three Then we will get people working hard again because they actualy want to get somewhere in life, not to get that £100 bonus and a free ipod, back in the day we worked because we wanted to!

I didn't get a free iPod

Dark_Injection · 10 Dec 2006 at 10:28

eXSBass said:
And when people like you complain in the future that there are not many skilled workers in this country and we have to import workers from other countries then wouldn't that increase cost in the long run?

You try doing 4 A levels, 1 Qualification Monday - Friday + Homework that will just about get finished within the weekend, not to mention coursework and revision for January exams.

Would employ a school boy part time for 2 hours a day?

Didn't think so.

I do all of the above :rolleyes:

and still work part time, most nights and weekends. But still, EMA rocks. Most people who are whining in this thread are not due to the moral issues about it not going to actual college work etc, it is just because they want it

I do agreee though, everyone should be eligable!

PureAppleJuice · 10 Dec 2006 at 11:28

Tbh when I first started at college I was in a situation where I genuinely needed the EMA, had to pay my mum rent and stuff. But now I've been kicked out and live with one hell of a rich friend who don't charge me rent, the EMA just gets spent on the bus every saturday to get to work and I just spend the rest on social stuff.

milkinc13 · 10 Dec 2006 at 11:49

1'st i've heard of it stopping, and not everyone waists there EMA, i'm only on £10 a week, but did go to college for that I went as I didn't want to go from school into a full time Job.

Freeman · 10 Dec 2006 at 12:02

gareth.e said:
ema basically means:
if you parents worked hard at school and got good jobs it means you have to work hard at school and sustain a job to get by and get a good job.

where as if your parents are lazy or couldn't be bothered at school, they are going to pay you money to sit in a class room and try get you a good job.

does this mean:?
...if you parents worked hard you have to work even harder?
...if you parents didn't bother to work hard.. you don't even have to work?

No, it means Dad was made redundant from a 75k a year job, and started his own business which didn't make any money for the first year, meaning i got £30 a week for college. And my Mum is a full time house wife looking after a 7 bedroom house 24/7 as well as cooking, cleaning, feeding 6 people and oh yeah, did i mention she has a cleaning job (simply because she needs flexible hours as she works so damn hard in the house) and another job looking after alpackers. My Mum and Dad put parents who do earn 30k+ a year to shame with how hard they work during the year.

Until someone knows everyones situation they CAN NOT make statements like you just have, it's not fair.

alexakasloth · 10 Dec 2006 at 12:20

Freeman said:
Until someone knows everyones situation they CAN NOT make statements like you just have, it's not fair.

It's not fair, it's plain ****ing ignorance. As far as people like you've quoted are concerned, anyone who is on EMA is a chav who's parent's are on the dole.

A5H · 10 Dec 2006 at 14:27

A hell of a lot are.
People are basing this on FIRST HAND experience. Not just making it up.
Just cause mansion boy and some others are different doesn't mean others aren't...
I was at college last year, so believe me, I know the score...

alexakasloth · 10 Dec 2006 at 14:29

Just giving the opposite side of the argument, all the bashing around here seems to be giving the impression that the only ones who recieve EMA are chav's who just go to college for the money. All i'm saying is that there are a hell of a lot of people who are not.

SwishSpencor · 10 Dec 2006 at 15:28

Shotgun_ned said:
Too right. Can't believe you get paid to go to school now :/.

School?!?!? I only had it at college and £30 a week went soo fast

Wasn't worth it tbh

I've seen some job training schemes that use EMA as payment, i do hope the stop the carp

Margaret · 10 Dec 2006 at 15:36

$loth said:
All i'm saying is that there are a hell of a lot of people who do not.

Yeah a lot of my friends who get it are not chavs at all.

Raikiri · 10 Dec 2006 at 15:36

A5H said:
A hell of a lot are.
People are basing this on FIRST HAND experience. Not just making it up.
Just cause mansion boy and some others are different doesn't mean others aren't...
I was at college last year, so believe me, I know the score...

And we're at college now with first hand experience, why would your first hand experience be any better or more accurate than ours? Maybe you just lived in a crap area?

I would say it is the minority who are idiots just there for the EMA, not the majority. So stopping it would be a bad thing, restructuring the way the money is given out and the criteria etc. would not.

(P.S we really need an 'exasperated' smiley)

SwishSpencor · 10 Dec 2006 at 15:42

Raikiri said:
So stopping it would be a bad thing

Shouldn't need to pay people to go to college imo

Raikiri · 10 Dec 2006 at 15:46

They don't need to, I would go regardless of EMA but it really is helpful in covering any costs from college, without it I would have to get a part time job which would take up more time and my college work would suffer because of this. All for 0.00016p from each taxpayer per year...