EMA

[TheKnat]

Though hopefully it would stop the idiots that just go their for the money.

Thats actually got me thinking. Does giving EMA to students who don't want to study (and therefore disrupt the class) cause harm to students who actually want to learn ?

If your not interested then your not interested. No amount of money can change whether or not you LIKE something.

 

[Darkwave]

If people need bribery to stay in education, they shouldn't be there. They should be doing something useful like an apprenticeship or getting a job.

Maybe the entire employment system needs an overhaul then? I'm 21 and getting applying for a job is just a qualifications sheet raffle sometimes. Doesn't matter if you're thick as two short planks if you have x number of degrees in useless subjects.

 

[hargi]

So your telling me if you were in Year 12/13 you wouldn't get it if you could?

No were not saying that we'll at least im not, im not having a go for you taking the money. im having a go at them giving you the money.

Just out of curiosity what does your ££££ got to.

Bus passes get payed for by the LEA or council for you, if you live far enough away to warrant a bus, otherwise your college should subsidies your travel fair.
Fair play if you spend your EMA to get to your place of education or on educational stuff.

 

[fini]

I ask again, do you have a better suggestion to keep people studying? Because drop-outs are a big problem now.

I note you cut out the top of my post when you quoted it, because if you had kept the top part in you would have your answer. I am putting to you that there have been no studies that show that a significant amount of students, who would otherwise not be able to study, continue studying because of EMA. In this case your argument that 'there is no better way' is not valid, because EMA is not producing the result you are achieving to 'replicate' with alternative systems.

 

[FreeStream]

As has previously been stated by another poster, I don't think anyone has serious issues with the students themselves for taking it - nobody turns down free money. The issue is with the government for providing said money in the first place.

Ah well fair enough, but then again we could move onto benefits/money for immigrants and slackers claiming it for sitting on there backsides all day.

IMO I think its one of the better ideas, but then again our school has really tight policies (ontop of the EMA ones).

No missing lessons for anything apart from educational/certain medical things/no driving lessons etc etc etc, late once a week...

75% of the guys don't get it every week.

Probably more slack in other schools tho

No were not saying that we'll at least im not, im not having a go for you taking the money. im having a go at them giving you the money.

Just out of curiosity what does your ££££ got to.

Bus passes get payed for by the LEA or council for you, if you live far enough away to warrant a bus, otherwise your college should subsidies your travel fair.
Fair play if you spend your EMA to get to your place of education or on educational stuff.

Ummn, not school stuff

MacBook Pro and photography stuff, I don't spend it on games or DVDs or stuff (I do buy them but not using EMA money - if you get what I mean )

So its not totally wasteful.

 

[Darkwave]

I am putting to you that there have been no studies that show that a significant amount of students, who would otherwise not be able to study, continue studying because of EMA.

Sauce?

 

[TheKnat]

Sauce?

How can you quote a sauce that doesnt exist ? It should be that you are providing a sauce for the fact that EMA is helping students

 

[Energize]

Unfortunately though that doesn't stop people dropping out of higher education, which is why EMA exists.

Like I said to sbi5ar: If you can think of a better, more cost-effective way to keep students studying instead of the nation becoming gradually more under-skilled then I'm sure the people in charge would love to hear it.

You don't seriously believe that ema keeps people in school or gets them good grades?

People at my school have dropped out even though they get ema, and there are millions of chavs who don't go to school who are eligible for ema. It just shows you that ema is not an effective incentive. Even if it did make people go to school, they would get crap grades anyway because that would be the only reason they were going, not to learn. Anyone who is clever and wants a decent education goes to 6th form or college regardless of ema, ema is trying to attract chavs and people with low grades to go to school, not the people you would want to employ and they definatley won't come out with a decent grade or skills at the end of it. So it ends up being a complete waste of money.

 

[Darkwave]

How can you quote a sauce that doesnt exist ? It should be that you are providing a sauce for the fact that EMA is helping students

I didn't say "it is helping", I just said that's the point in it. Not that it's effective at all, just that someone needs to come up with a better idea instead of sitting around and *****ing about it.

You don't seriously believe that ema keeps people in school or gets them good grades?

See above.

 

[fini]

So you concede that EMA doesn't produce its desired result? If EMA isn't keeping people in education then, surely, it is a waste. As such an alternative to it would be my DMA mentioned earlier - because it is equally as wasteful.

 

[platypus]

So your telling me if you were in Year 12/13 you wouldn't get it if you could?

Yea right....

I think of it as, government will take a lot of my cash in later life, Im just getting some back

Oh and btw I attend all my lessons and got 4 As at AS

And mines already been paid

Given the current state of A Levels, 4 As isn't really a particularly great claim.

Well done though, but as a seemingly bright student, why can't you see it's a waste of tax money?

 

[hargi]

Ok then you cant get payed dole till you have worked for 2 years. Thus making people want to get more qualifications to get a good job or to have to take the rubbish "grunt" work. anyone caught for a crime that hasnt worked i.e stealing rather than working should be put in prison and made to work in there.

 

[TheKnat]

I didn't say "it is helping", I just said that's the point in it. Not that it's effective at all, just that someone needs to come up with a better idea.

I agree there should be a better system for helping people stay in education longer and to do subjects which are more relevant, but that doesn't mean the existing system should stay just because they can't think anything better to do.

Its just wasting money which could go into making the schools better so students choose to stay, rather than getting bribed to.

 

[Darkwave]

So you concede that EMA doesn't produce its desired result.

Where did I say such a thing? Please stop reading my posts if all you can do is put words in my mouth.

I've not once said it is or is not effective, I have absolutely know way of knowing if it is because I don't talk to people on EMA and I don't know any hard statistics about how many people on EMA pass/fail or drop out altogether.

What I am saying, for the last bloody time, is that it's just the point of EMA and that if you have a better idea then I'm sure Gordon Brown would love to hear it.

Ok then you cant get payed dole till you have worked for 2 years. Thus making people want to get more qualifications to get a good job or to have to take the rubbish "grunt" work.

Answers on a postcard to Gordon Brown please, thanks.

 

[FreeStream]

Given the current state of A Levels, 4 As isn't really a particularly great claim.

Well done though, but as a seemingly bright student, why can't you see it's a waste of tax money?

I see where your coming from, I would have still done those courses and got exactly the same grades if I didn't have EMA.

Year 11 --> Year 12 intake was 80-90% in my school, I doubt EMA even accounts for 5% of that.

So yes in the grand scheme of things, its wasteful in most cases apart from when its really actually needed, but I can't think of any of my mates who actually need it and get it

Oh well, this government isn't totally brilliant is it really?

 

[Energize]

What I am saying, for the last bloody time, is that it's just the point of EMA and that if you have a better idea then I'm sure Gordon Brown would love to hear it.
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You seem to love labour, people are saying ema is a waste of time and you are completeley ignoring that and telling them to come up with a better idea, instead of addressing any of the issues.

 

[Darkwave]

I've waiting for the same thing.

Probably because I'm not spouting anything and trying to convince myself it's fact. I already said god knows how many times that I am not "pro-EMA" or anything, just that if there was a better and cheaper way to keep people in higher education then they would be on it like white on rice.

Of course, I guess I'm just "loving Labour" because I don't sit around bitching.

 

[Mephisto]

EMA is a joke. Everyone that got in my old college class just spent it on alcohol or computer games.

I don't qualify for EMA but then again my parents don't give me any money, so I'm in the same situation (If not a worse one) than people that DO qualify for EMA. It's a bunch of bull****.

 

[bcjames]

EMA came in while I was in upper sixth. Our sixth form went from around 40 people total to over 100. From what I saw of it all, that was a change for worse in itself.

It just seems odd i'm in however many thousand in debt, soon to be more as I reach postgrad, yet am paying it all myself, and its still something I want to do.

 

[Jono]

Take away the incentive for doing nothing with their lives after school (dole) and then you wouldn't need to give them an incentive for staying (EMA).

/huuuuuuge sigh.