Employer threatening to ban e-cigs...

[MrMoonX]

You should see the crap we all breathe in in my work, paper dust and ink dust.

The paper we use (newsprint) is mostly recycled so who knows what's in it. It has a very similar texture to MDF dust when cut and it's known that MDF dust is dangerous.

As for the ink, we are still trying to find out what it actually contains.

After a night shift you can blow your nose and the mucus is black so god knows what's going into our lungs.

They don't like it when we ask about the dust levels and what crap we are breathing in, but they say it's not harmful.

I wear a mask whenever possible, but others mostly don't.

Wear PPE ASAP simple really

 

[Tefal]

well as far as i understand there's zero damage caused to the lungs from nicotine vapor, nicotine is however an addictive substance whereas I've not heard of exhaust fumes being addictive.

well aside from the increased cancer risk.

nicotine is still carcinogenic, just less so than the other stuff in cigarets

 

[krooton]

well aside from the increased cancer risk.

nicotine is still carcinogenic, just less so than the other stuff in cigarets

From what I have read, nicotine is not carcinogenic, but can assist with the growth and spread of existing cancerous cells. It won't cause cancer, but will make existing cancer worse. Though not likely as a result of passive nicotine intake.

Again, walking down a busy city road will do more damage.

 

[Tefal]

From what I have read, nicotine is not carcinogenic, but can assist with the growth and spread of existing cancerous cells. It won't cause cancer, but will make existing cancer worse. Though not likely as a result of passive nicotine intake.

Again, walking down a busy city road will do more damage.

interestingly there is only one chemical in the entire world that is certified as not being carcinogenic.

its some intermediary chemical in the production of certain plastics iirc

 

[Reality Bites]

I personally couldn't give a monkeys whether 'e-cigs' are addictive or not. If people want to do it fine. It's not just about the 'drug'!

The most annoying thing about all smokers is they insist on pushing the boundaries of the confined space or outside only rule and stand right by entrances or in door ways. Then everyone needs to walk through the stinking smoke to get inside a building. This is the same with e-cigs. They all blow the vapor which people need to walk through.

I can see why this is the same issue with e-cigs or vapors or what ever the hell they are called. Comparing them to coffee in the work place is plain daft. I dont inhale my coffee and exhale vapor over my co-workers. This is the issue. I don't care what it smells like, i don't want it exhaled over me whether people class it as 'just water' or not.

If you don't like your companies rules, go work somewhere else. Simples.

 

[krooton]

interestingly there is only one chemical in the entire world that is certified as not being carcinogenic.

its some intermediary chemical in the production of certain plastics iirc

Haha, fair enough, you know I mean carcinogenic enough to actually be of concern.

Nicely charred meat is more carcinogenic. So yummy though!

 

[Tefal]

oh yeah, iirc oxygen is still onen of the worst lol

what would be interesting is if vaping still causes a change in the tyope of cells lining the throat. as thats one of the big risks from smoking, as it changes to a differnt cell type for the lining it greatly increases the chance of thier being a mistake and a cancerous cell forming/a toumor groing

 

[krooton]

I personally couldn't give a monkeys whether 'e-cigs' are addictive or not. If people want to do it fine. It's not just about the 'drug'!

The most annoying thing about all smokers is they insist on pushing the boundaries of the confined space or outside only rule and stand right by entrances or in door ways. Then everyone needs to walk through the stinking smoke to get inside a building. This is the same with e-cigs. They all blow the vapor which people need to walk through.

I can see why this is the same issue with e-cigs or vapors or what ever the hell they are called. Comparing them to coffee in the work place is plain daft. I dont inhale my coffee and exhale vapor over my co-workers. This is the issue. I don't care what it smells like, i don't want it exhaled over me whether people class it as 'just water' or not.

If you don't like your companies rules, go work somewhere else. Simples.

Inhaling sick colleagues airborne germs is more of a concern for me than nicotine vapour, but hey ho, can't ban sick workers.

 

[krooton]

oh yeah, iirc oxygen is still onen of the worst lol

Yep, antioxidants are all the rage as a result.

 

[GiraffePencils]

A) Given it's diluted state, how much second-hand nicotine vapour would one need to inhale to receive a dose large enough to stimulate addiction?

B) Even if it was enough, part of the addiction is the brain's ability to link an action to whatever it craves. You smoke, eventually get addicted, and your brain as learnt that smoking gives you what you are craving, ergo you crave a cigarette. How would your brain know that it is addicted to nicotine if the nicotine has been absorbed passively? In fact, can't say I have ever heard of someone becoming passively addicted to something.

Clutching at straws now.

We've gone from "It might make other people become addicted to nicotine." to "It might cause former nicotine addicts to relapse."

Many many people have become passively addicted to cigarettes due to their parents smoking.

And I'm hardly clutching, I never claimed that vapors would passively make someone addicted, I merely stated that you are passively inhaling an addictive substance against your will if someone was vaping at work.

Also It can cause an increased desire to smoke in those who have previously smoked, a second reason to use it outside.

Those using vaporizers at work are being inconsiderate of others if they do not consider these effects and should use them outside.

 

[Reality Bites]

Inhaling sick colleagues airborne germs is more of a concern for me than nicotine vapour, but hey ho, can't ban sick workers.

Sick people in my work place are sent home....that's easy too.

It seems e-cig lovers don't want to be reasonable in any argument put to them and turn to childish analogies.

If you don't like your companies rules, leave......!

 

[krooton]

Sick people in my work place are sent home....that's easy too.

It seems e-cig lovers don't want to be reasonable in any argument put to them and turn to childish analogies.

If you don't like your companies rules, leave......!

Most companies will only send sick people home if their sickness is debilitating.

You can be sick enough to be shedding your viral nasties all over the place, but still be able to work.

 

[krooton]

Many many people have become passively addicted to cigarettes due to their parents smoking.

My parents did (and still do) smoke, and neither my brother not I are addicted to nicotine.

Nigh on useless sample size I know, however out exposure was far greater than that of someone in an office near a vaper. Like to the nth degree.

And I'm hardly clutching, I never claimed that vapors would passively make someone addicted, I merely stated that you are passively inhaling an addictive substance against your will if someone was vaping at work.

Also It can cause an increased desire to smoke in those who have previously smoked, a second reason to use it outside.

Again, I haven't seen any proof or studies showing that second-hand nicotine from vaporizers is a concern. You say it can cause an increased desire in former smokers, but that is speculative.

 

[Reality Bites]

Most companies will only send sick people home if their sickness is debilitating.

You can be sick enough to be shedding your viral nasties all over the place, but still be able to work.

True, but not here. Projects are too time critical to have germs spread around so they either work from home or simply stay off.

Still not a direct analogy as people don't choose to be sick.....

Think I may unsubscribe now......update emails are getting annoying already.

 

[wickfut]

Can't find the link. Some study I read stated the amount of smoke consumed by a passive smoker living in a smokers household is the equivalent of smoking something like half a cig per month. IE. not enough to have any sort of addicting effect.

With e-cigs it's even less as the vapour doesn't float about, it just falls to the floor after a second or two.

 

[MrMoonX]

I personally couldn't give a monkeys whether 'e-cigs' are addictive or not. If people want to do it fine. It's not just about the 'drug'!

The most annoying thing about all smokers is they insist on pushing the boundaries of the confined space or outside only rule and stand right by entrances or in door ways. Then everyone needs to walk through the stinking smoke to get inside a building. This is the same with e-cigs. They all blow the vapor which people need to walk through.

I can see why this is the same issue with e-cigs or vapors or what ever the hell they are called. Comparing them to coffee in the work place is plain daft. I dont inhale my coffee and exhale vapor over my co-workers. This is the issue. I don't care what it smells like, i don't want it exhaled over me whether people class it as 'just water' or not.

If you don't like your companies rules, go work somewhere else. Simples.

Smokers/vapers are basically selfish junkies defending their precious fix. If it wasn't for big tobacco bribing politicians then smoking would have been made illegal years ago

 

[TommyV]

If you allow nicotine abuse then why not methadone, steroids, alcohol etc.?

Methadone is ofcourse the next logical step on from nicotine!

 

[estebanrey]

Well I am a no for e-Cigs at work, at my work the e-cig people go outside.
I see it's purpose as an aid to stop smoking, but too many people seem to just see it as the 'new smoking' and are enjoying themselves.

People enjoying themselves? Well we can't have that can we?

There's nothing more I hate than the sight of someone who enjoys something.

Put it down and give up properly.

I have given up properly, I no longer smoke.

Aside form my disagreement with the attitude the only concern I would have is I've never had someone who 'vapes' be able to show me any evidence that it is 'just water vapor' coming out, I'm not opposed to the possibility that it might be, but I would suspect it's not.

Ahh that sounds scientific. Basing your opinion on gut feeling as we all know is infallible logical.

It is for you sir to prove they are dangerous, not for vapers to prove they are not.

Regulation of e-cigs will resolve a lot of this. If the contents are what they should be then the evidence suggests it's not directly harmful.

THEY ARE REGULATED!, E-cigs and juices sold in the UK have to conform to over 40 EU & UK regulations.

You are talking about medicinal regulation which is illogical, they are not medicines and there is no good reason to treat them as such.

You do know who keeps putting out the "they're not regulated" myth don't you? It's the pharmaceutical companies who makes billions a year from NRT products. Now you don't have to be a tin foil hate wearing conspiracy theorist to see why pharmaceutical companies want them regulated as medicines, giving them the Monopoly over them.

Do you know how much it costs to gain medicinal licensing for products? It would put nearly if not all e-cig manufacturers out of business over night.

I'm for the main aim of stopping everyone smoking. Whether e-cigs are a good intermediary I'm still undecided on.

Traditional NRT has a success rate of around 12%, e-cigs over 70%.

All people should strive to not be dependant on any substance.

Do you drink coffee, tea, cola or eat chocolate? 80% of the Western world's population are clinically addicted to caffeine so basically you are saying 9 out of 10 people are living an undesirable lifestyle.

My sister decided to undertake a caffeine-free diet years ago, after a couple of days she was being sick and had trouble sleeping.

IMO, addiction by itself is neutral. It only becomes negative when the thing you're addicted to has a detrimental affect on your life. If it doesn't and you enjoy it then why not?

I'm only regarding the nicotine part, vape all the flavours you'd like, but a substance which is addictive and has no positive influence on the body should be banned

Well actually nicotine does have a positive affect on the body, it is a relxant. But ignoring that, are you for banning caffeine then?

 

[TheLegendOfMart]

Most companies will only send sick people home if their sickness is debilitating.

You can be sick enough to be shedding your viral nasties all over the place, but still be able to work.

Most companies I've worked for have policies in place to send sick people home so that it doesn't spread among the workforce potentially losing multiple people to sick days and losing productivity.

Can't remember who mentioned it but I have been witness to supervisors pulling colleagues aside who smell and telling them they smell and that they should sort it out.

I don't get why people are so up in arms about banning e-cigs, just go outside and have a 10 minute break and do it there, why the outrage?

The smug attitude in here makes me laugh all the people acting like a vaper should be congratulated for not smoking cigarettes, if anything all the non smokers should be congratulated for not smoking or being addicted to it in the first place, ridiculous.

Well actually nicotine does have a positive affect on the body, it is a relxant. But ignoring that, are you for banning caffeine then?

But.....but......what about caffeine. All the places I've worked for you don't get a brew until break time, I've not seen anyone be unable to work just because they haven't had a cup of tea in a couple of hours.

 

[estebanrey]

I don't get why people are so up in arms about banning e-cigs, just go outside and have a 10 minute break and do it there, why the outrage?

Because there is no logical reason to force vapers outside. There are clear and well known reasons why smokers should but why apply that to people vaping for no other reason than it looks similar?

There are also good reasons why electronic cigarette users shouldn't go outside. Other than the loss of productivity, it is also pushing people who have made a healthier lifestyle choice back to passive smoking by making them stand by smokers.

If a workplace wants to have a vaping room that would be a different matter.

But.....but......what about caffeine. All the places I've worked for you don't get a brew until break time, I've not seen anyone be unable to work just because they haven't had a cup of tea in a couple of hours.

Well it's the opposite for me. I've mostly worked in office environments and have never worked in an office that banned people from drinking tea or coffee at their desks or forced them to do so on their breaks.