End p2p music sharing?
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I would have thought by now that people would realise most songs available on p2p are terrible quality, and in my opinion I couldn't listen to them.
re: lowering cd prices. I'm sure I remember reading somewhere, that its possible to lower prices on the big selling cds, but the record companies need the extra profits that things like coldplay's x&y make to cover the other cds they release that lose money.
Predicting peoples listening tastes is rather tricky i'd imagine, so for every coldplay, there is a one hit wonder that costs just as much to produce, yet doesn't make the costs back, which have to be covered from somewhere.
re: lowering cd prices. I'm sure I remember reading somewhere, that its possible to lower prices on the big selling cds, but the record companies need the extra profits that things like coldplay's x&y make to cover the other cds they release that lose money.
Predicting peoples listening tastes is rather tricky i'd imagine, so for every coldplay, there is a one hit wonder that costs just as much to produce, yet doesn't make the costs back, which have to be covered from somewhere.
They do illustrate the principal but the figures are well out.
Just having a quick look on the internet, shows that i can get Cd's manufactured, for less than 60p per disc for 1000 cd's, that is for everything, inlays, printed cd's, cases, and all individually shrinkwrapped. So a record company who is going to be getting at least 100,000 of any new chart cd manufactured, is going to be looking at what about 40p per copy at most.
I'm not actually sure that it is the Record labels that keep prices "high" anyway, it's more the big chain shops, go into HMV or Virgin, the vast majoirty of cd's are 13.99 - 16.99, yet i walk into fopp and the same cd is 5-10 quid, even new albums, the only ones they seem to have at "full" price are double disc albums. The fact that these shops exist say that the record labels can't be taking an extortionate amount as they would just either not supply them or would take so much that Fopp wouldn't be able to operate. So the money must go somewhere and i'd hazard that one hell of a lot of it goes to the big chain stores.
Vent, it's called the Exchange rate, your pounds are worth a lot more than the dollars are.
Just having a quick look on the internet, shows that i can get Cd's manufactured, for less than 60p per disc for 1000 cd's, that is for everything, inlays, printed cd's, cases, and all individually shrinkwrapped. So a record company who is going to be getting at least 100,000 of any new chart cd manufactured, is going to be looking at what about 40p per copy at most.
I'm not actually sure that it is the Record labels that keep prices "high" anyway, it's more the big chain shops, go into HMV or Virgin, the vast majoirty of cd's are 13.99 - 16.99, yet i walk into fopp and the same cd is 5-10 quid, even new albums, the only ones they seem to have at "full" price are double disc albums. The fact that these shops exist say that the record labels can't be taking an extortionate amount as they would just either not supply them or would take so much that Fopp wouldn't be able to operate. So the money must go somewhere and i'd hazard that one hell of a lot of it goes to the big chain stores.
Vent, it's called the Exchange rate, your pounds are worth a lot more than the dollars are.
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dun said:
Blah. Take it to the obvious conclusion of no one paying for music and the system doesn't work. End of story.
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Ill believe that when i see it, unless they are putting something visually/audibly into the watermark.
Dont use P2P much now anyways, so wouldnt really bother me. Music companies are just greedy wanting £4 for a 3 minute song, lower the price and im sure more will start paying (note how i didnt say all)
An album that lasts less than an hour but costs £15 is rip off terrirory, thus people complain when they pay for it. Honestly, if you bought albums for every band you liked how much would you spend?
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The last time i looked the prices for buying a blank CD have gone down significantly over the last few years and the prices of music cd's have gone up. Seems to me that the music industry is pocketing the extra cash.
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ants83 said:
Except you can't produce fivers ad infinitum at zero cost so the analogy is flawed.
I agree with others about the pricing its stupid! Same goes for dvds. In a world where everything is getting more expensive people cant afford as many luxuries. I WILL buy a cd if i like it and i think its worth the ££ as i believe u should support the artist otherwise what will u listen to? But i am not going to spend £14-15 how ever much it is for an album if i think its completely rubbish. Same goes for dvds! they are almost £20 for a newly released one. There is no way in the world it costs that much to make and ship!
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ants83 said:
Or perhaps they feel that you should pay the people who produce the music and the CDs.
Note: Perhaps they shouldn't be paid so much, but that doesn't mean they shouldn't be paid.
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R5Rich said:
You said yourself that it's a luxury. If you can't afford it, why should you have it?
Because most people dont have the money to go out and buy a ferrari as people have compared this to. Its a cd with music that can be free, u cant download a ferrari and go for a drive on the weekend can u 
Its a small luxury that shouldnt be as expensive as it is.
Its a small luxury that shouldnt be as expensive as it is.
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R5Rich said:Because most people dont have the money to go out and buy a ferrari as people have compared this to. Its a cd with music that can be free, u cant download a ferrari and go for a drive on the weekend can u
Answer the question. If the item is a luxury, and the price is set, why should you be free to decide you don't like the price and take the goods anyway?
vonhelmet said:
If someone was giving away free money to everyone in the street would you say no?
People download free music cos they can, cos its easier than walking down the shop on a Saturday waiting in a big queue and then trudging back home. If i want one song off an album i can download it, in the past i would have had to buy the whole album for the one track i wanted. TBH i probably would have listened to the album and discovered more tracks that i liked, but thats beside the point. Its(/was?) free music for the taking with a 99.99999% chance that you wont be caught.
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BUSH said:
The problem is, they aren't. All it takes is a little looking and you can find plenty of 192k lame encoded albums that would pretty much match anything you can do with a lossy codec. Downloading doesn't mean poor quality, only the people who know nothign other than kazaa are sharing poor quality files.
Same goes for dvd's. direct copies can be found easily enough, not just divx rips.
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Also many people couldn't care less that the quality isn't quite as good. I can barely tell the difference between a 64k wma and the original CD. Only real enthusiasts really care about quality that much.james.miller said:
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I'm a musician and compose my own stuff so can appreciate the price of CDs (well, by certain artists who actually go through sweat and blood to write their material).
I wouldn't complain if CDs were made cheaper, but I certainly don't think they're overpriced.
I've used P2P in the past to get the odd track from an arist if i've heard about them and fancy getting into them, I nearly always go out and buy something by them if I like the artist.
I wouldn't complain if CDs were made cheaper, but I certainly don't think they're overpriced.
I've used P2P in the past to get the odd track from an arist if i've heard about them and fancy getting into them, I nearly always go out and buy something by them if I like the artist.