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Overlag said:
I agree. Music companies want you to buy thier music in x, y and z format and milk you dry! I don't agree with the law as it stands! 99.9% of people with mp3 players are technically breaking the law!
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I agree. Music companies want you to buy thier music in x, y and z format and milk you dry! I don't agree with the law as it stands! 99.9% of people with mp3 players are technically breaking the law!
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MOst likely works by adding a small watermark to the spectrograph image that can be generated from any audio file, i can post a picture of a spectrograph if that would help you understand, I've covered movie and picture watermarking at uni but audio watermarking first i've heard of it.
Nothing, that I'm aware of.Overlag said:
You can, but technically, they are copyright infringement (assuming they haven't been put inthe public domain, the copyright hasn't expired and/or you don't have permission to create the copies).Overlag said:
Well, in pedantic mode, the music companies didn't create copyright law - government did. So it may be pushing it to blame music companies, especially as they haven't sought to take action under it.Overlag said:
In practice, despite the fact that MP3'ing a CD you own is copyright infringement (in the UK), it is highly unlikely that any music company is going to seek to take court action over it, and a non-commercial infringement like this is a civil matter, not a criminal one.
As it's civil, the range of things that could happen to you is very limited, and effectively limited to :-
- damages for loss suffered. But that requires the claimant to prove the extent of the loss.
- an injunction to stop you doing it again
- a seizure order for any infringing copies
It has technically been the case that this type of personal use has been illegal (in the UK, though not in some other countires where copyright law is different) for decades, going back to the introduction of cassette recorders at least, but I'm not aware of a single case ever being brought in this type of circumstance. Nor do I expect one ever will be.
So I don't think anyone doing this exactly has a lot to worry about. Yeah, technically, it's illegal. But it's probably one of the most widely ignored laws in the country.
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Even with a fast internet connection I dont get illegal music for the simple fact I like to have something I can hold, something to read and the chance at getting a few extras. I'd love to see how downloading music would send me the deathstars drink mat and bubblegum which came free with my new album
Ban illegal downloading of music! Ive used Itunes for the odd songs I like as if you only like 1 song on an album or a single you CAN say yourself a bit of money if you dont value the artist enough to buy the whole product. Just my 2p
Ban illegal downloading of music! Ive used Itunes for the odd songs I like as if you only like 1 song on an album or a single you CAN say yourself a bit of money if you dont value the artist enough to buy the whole product. Just my 2p
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What about rare songs/albums (that I'm allways usually after) that you can't find in the shops or at any online mp3 e'tailer, say I type the name of that song/album into a p2p search engine and it comes up with a few results, do I hit download ?
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Not if you want to stay legal, unless the specific recording is so old as to be out of copyright, or it has been explicitly placed in the public domain by the copyright holder.lowrider007 said:
Note, I'm not saying you should or shouldn't download. That's a moral issue and is for you to decide. I'm just saying that the rarity of the track, or whether you are able to buy it in the shops or not, has NO bearing on the legality of downloading, or other forms of copying, in copyright terms.
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You have to look at both sides of the situation.
The record companies must be going out their minds with thousands if not millions of songs being illegally downloaded everyday. That's songs that you should be paying for to listen to, money that should go to the record companies and the artists who have made the music.
I don't know why people say CD's are too expensive. That's rubbish. The price has hardly increased much since the 90's. Think back to before the whole Mp3/P2P thing and CD prices were only a couple of quid different to what they are now. You can go to Tesco and buy a chart CD for under £10. Hardly expensive.
Also to the "if someone was handing out free money on the street" comment, well that's entirely different. If someone chooses to hand out their own money for free that's up to them, but record companies aren't choosing to give out free music are they? People are copying it and distributing it.
On the flip side, as people have said, you're very unlikely to get caught and if you can get stuff for 'free', like every other person with a computer and Internet access is, why the hell shouldn't you? It may not be legal but there's a very small chance you'll get caught and you will save a bit of cash by not having to go out and buy the original thing.
Just my 2p
The record companies must be going out their minds with thousands if not millions of songs being illegally downloaded everyday. That's songs that you should be paying for to listen to, money that should go to the record companies and the artists who have made the music.
I don't know why people say CD's are too expensive. That's rubbish. The price has hardly increased much since the 90's. Think back to before the whole Mp3/P2P thing and CD prices were only a couple of quid different to what they are now. You can go to Tesco and buy a chart CD for under £10. Hardly expensive.
Also to the "if someone was handing out free money on the street" comment, well that's entirely different. If someone chooses to hand out their own money for free that's up to them, but record companies aren't choosing to give out free music are they? People are copying it and distributing it.
On the flip side, as people have said, you're very unlikely to get caught and if you can get stuff for 'free', like every other person with a computer and Internet access is, why the hell shouldn't you? It may not be legal but there's a very small chance you'll get caught and you will save a bit of cash by not having to go out and buy the original thing.
Just my 2p
I think it goes a bit further than even that. A lot of people download on the basis of pretty much knowing they won't get caught, but there are also people that break copyright law, quite deliberately, because they regard it as grossly unfair. While I generally support copyright laws and the rights of copyright holders, the one thing that I do have trouble with is a point a couple of people have already made - if I have bought a CD, why should I not be allowed to make a copy to use in the car, or put it on my MP3 player?FincH said:
Legally, you can't. Ethically, I see nothing at all wrong with that.
A lot of countries charge a small surcharge on the cost of all blank media, and that surcharge goes to a fund that is then distributed to copyright holders to compensate for this usage, and copyright law then permits this type of personal, domestic copying. That would be a modification to UK copyright law that I would wholeheartedly agree with, the sole problem with it being that those people buying blank media for their own legitimate non-copying usage are still paying the surcharge for a benefit they aren't getting.
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Yeah I'm probably wrong on the details of how it works. Whatever it is there's something hidden in there that humans cant hear.pyro said:
I remember in the early nineties paying around £15 for 1 cd, sometimes even up to £20, surely the costs of making the cd and distributing it should have come down a bit. Cds are not the way forward, mp3s are, buying them online is very popular and online sales will continue to increase. Dvds when they first came out were quite expensive some films being around £25+. Nowadays they're not even half that price now and there's many versions to choose from.
I haven't bought a cd in ages and buy most of my mp3s online. I also like being able to listen to an album before buying it. If I like a few songs I'll buy them online. It's good that places like amazon let you preview most new albums.
I haven't bought a cd in ages and buy most of my mp3s online. I also like being able to listen to an album before buying it. If I like a few songs I'll buy them online. It's good that places like amazon let you preview most new albums.
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The reason i dont by CD's is because i spend all my money going to the carling academy in newcastle to see the bands play live much better than any CD!
much better than any CD!That depends what you're looking for. Personally, I'm more interested in going from CD to DVD Audio (or HDAD) than CD to MP3. I can also get an MP3 from a CD, but the same isn't true the other way round, at least, not without sacrificing audio quality.wintereverlong said:
MP3 may be the mass market, but the chances of me buying an MP3 is precisely zero. MP3 is great for portable players, but not a patch on a good quality CD, let alone DVD audio, when played on a good hifi system. So if I want a track/album, I'll buy it on CD (or better) and encode it myself. That way, I have both.
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mp3 > ogg. very nearly almost as good with high compression and 100x more compatible. But let's not argue over that
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yeah good argument there.