You can't use windmills and solar panels to generate gas.Renewables are cheap energy, its their entire purpose.
You can't use windmills and solar panels to generate gas.Renewables are cheap energy, its their entire purpose.
Not denying this but why do we have to pay this bill? We the consumers have paid what we owe as usual. We aren’t the ones at any part of the supply chain, that are either mismanaging or reaping huge profits.
You’re not paying for today gas your paying for the gas brought 12 months ago. Don’t worry you will have to pay for the 17p/kWh at some point. You’re certainly not getting it cheap.Yes, its partially that, although I thought that was the reason for the high standing charge?
In terms of unit rate, as someone has posted above, the wholesale price of gas is 17p/kwh for December. Is anyone here paying 17p/kwh for gas? I'm certainly not, so every kwh of gas I use results in my supplier losing 10p, multiply that by thousands of customers using thousands of kwh and tell me if you think its viable to maintain that over an extended period?
Not denying this but why do we have to pay this bill? We the consumers have paid what we owe as usual. We aren’t the ones at any part of the supply chain, that are either mismanaging or reaping huge profits.
They were private business's, if a shop goes out of business, it doesn't cost us anything, if a bus station went out of business, it wouldn't cost us anything. Why should these privately run energy business's cost us.
although I thought that was the reason for the high standing charge?
Still no need to increase the SC and effectively use it as a stealth tax.
but the cap directly and significantly destroyed many of these businesses.
You can't use windmills and solar panels to generate gas.
Energy is an essential need. It should never have been treated as an international market.You don't have to pay this bill, no one is forcing you to keep using energy
You’re not paying for today gas your paying for the gas brought 12 months ago. Don’t worry you will have to pay for the 17p/kWh at some point. You’re certainly not getting it cheap.
Energy is an essential need. It should never have been treated as an international market.
You don't have to pay this bill, no one is forcing you to keep using energy
Seems apt to respond to a previous post of yours
If a bus company was forced out of business because it cost more in fuel to run the buses than they were allowed to charge in ticket prices then you would have to walk everywhere. Is that preferable to having to pay a bit more for a bus ticket?
Of course I’m not being forced to use energy but realistically you can’t avoid it. I have done my best to avoid waste and have also invested my own money to reduce my dependency on the grid.You don't have to pay this bill, no one is forcing you to keep using energy
Seems apt to respond to a previous post of yours
Its not what it costs to produce though. Its what it costs on the open market, which is different.unfortunately that is what it costs.
Yeah I thought the poster was talking about the high standing charge:
These businesses weren't very secure anyway though. I remember reading an MSE post about Avro and someone has gone into their posted accounts and seen all sorts of money movements to various directors and shell companies. Then the companies went bust but no-one can touch the shell companies or the individuals.
We should have better laws in place for this stuff.
Energy is an essential need. It should never have been treated as an international market.
I think your not being realistic here
Just about everything we consume is part of an international market at some point in its supply chain
Its not what it costs to produce though. Its what it costs on the open market, which is different.
Dont you think energy cost should be much closer linked to cost to produce and regulated so excess profits are not allowed?
There are alternative options in that scenario, like you say, walking, cycling, taxis, planes, trains etc
Of course I’m not being forced to use energy but realistically you can’t avoid it. I have done my best to avoid waste and have also invested my own money to reduce my dependency on the grid.
I don’t have a gas supply but I do have to pay the standing charge regardless of how sensible I am.
I’m not responsible for any of this and I always pay what I owe.
What I don’t like doing is paying for failed private business enterprise. I never received the dividends and share prices that were no doubt dolled along the way.
Why cant we make our own energy and sell it to our own people at regulated prices?
It doesn't have to be. Ive used water as the example before so I'll do it again.
We extract our own water and we supply it to our own people at regulated prices.
Why cant we make our own energy and sell it to our own people at regulated prices?
And when it is proposed, the big corporations and political parties go into fear campaigning to convince people it won't work.You just need to convince the rest of the population to vote for a party that proposes some kind of semi nationalisation of energy.
We should have had govt owned wind farms and sold the energy cheaply back to us. Instead we pay gas prices for wind power.And when it is proposed, the big corporations and political parties go into fear campaigning to convince people it won't work.
Honestly, we don't deserve to be in any better position than we are because everyone is chasing the quick buck.
And when it is proposed, the big corporations and political parties go into fear campaigning to convince people it won't work.
Honestly, we don't deserve to be in any better position than we are because everyone is chasing the quick buck.