Engineers/Engineering

Engineering is no harder than any other applied science.

Engineers should try being a little bit less precious about this affair and realize that they aren't half as special or important as they think they are.
 
It bothers me because the UK is the country in the world practically that doesn't protect the engineering title and throws it around for all and sundry.
 
My team has Engineering in it's title ... but we do not agree with this and have refused to have Engineer in our job titles

We're not Engineers and hence we do not want to incorrectly referred to as such, (unfortunately at the moment we are being referred to as consultants which is also incorrect but at the moment life is to short to argue that point)
 
[TW]Fox;20463318 said:
Yea, thats totally engineering.

Doesnt that make everyone who orders something custom from a company an engineer? :D

HA! didn't exactly mean it like that. You got me.

When you get to enterprise level kit, what cisco or alcatel says it does isn't always true when rolled out over live networks. Its a two way process that involves a lot of comms between the us and them. It's using something that's 1/2 off the shelf...and 1/2 custom. It's then is redefined and standard-ised across the industry...in the shape of IOS and TIMOS operating systems (and hardware).

*que bigRed saying different :p *

Is that not engineering???? (I don't have time to justify subsea fibreoptic, radio or satellite networks.)


The UK engineering council has defined it as engineering...on the same level as structural and mechanical engineering in fact. Are they partly to blame?

I know what your saying and I agree...but disagree at the same time. :p
(Im not going to argue with you much fox because I know you'll win. :o:))

I think that there should be some kind of professional qualification in IT, at least in software development.

There is, Institution of engineering and technology. http://www.theiet.org/.
Listed within my post on the top of page 2.
 
[TW]Fox;20463573 said:
But harder than plugging in your new Virgin Media box.

So what? Should everybody with a degree get a protected title?

Should Boots be forced to refer to themselves as something other than a Chemist? How many of the staff have a chemistry degree?

What about that chap that used to be on the radio, Doctor Fox? Outrageous.
 
Instrument Engineer in Oil & Gas, with a MEng in engineering and working towards my CEng.

I get wound up by the amount of Heating Engineers I see in their white vans. If you drive a white van for work, you aren't an engineer. Engineers should be stuck in an office. Anything else is a Technician.

I would agree with kiteloopy's comment earlier - Any monkey can choose a part off the shelf, but you have to know its going to communicate with the other parts.

Or in my case, not corrode in a matter of days if the wrong material is specced, or potentially blow up - if the correct pressure rating isn't chosen.

Gate valves and well integrity ;)

I am an engineer too, but currently unemployed.
My father is an engineer in the oil industry
 
If you have I.T related degrees(Such as computer science) you can also get CEng status via the bcs if you have a masters.

So yes, you can be a engineer as a I.T guy. But someone with a masters in computer science isn't going to be a support monkey but a developer, network designer, etc
 
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[TW]Fox;20462312 said:
If you don't qualify for chartered status then in my opinion you are not an engineer.

I completely disagree and I am an engineer. Chartered status is a nice have but doesnt define you as an engineer, just that you have experience in a broad list of competances set out by the IET.

I know engineers that not only design things, they developed new techinques that engineers that design things subsequently use, they are the real great minds (designing things is easy) and they aren't chartered.
 
Engineers can also become chartered by experience.

Definately, you just need to meet the list of competances and cross reference them to your relevant experience (form filling excerise). Then its just a matter of an interview.
 
Is there? Really? I'm pretty sure that average Joe can distinguish between "engineers" who fix appliances/install cable/etc, and engineers who build bridges, tbh.

Never under estimate the stupidity of the average Joe.
 
What are peoples opinions on Software Engineer, that's my job title, but I'm not sure I agree that it's really engineering. On the one hand I 'create' software/drivers, but on the other hand I don't create the actual physical product?
 
What are peoples opinions on Software Engineer, that's my job title, but I'm not sure I agree that it's really engineering. On the one hand I 'create' software/drivers, but on the other hand I don't create the actual physical product?

If you have the relevant qualification equivalent to a degree standard and it's not just laborious dot to dot work then yes I would say you are an engineer.

An engineer should be able to apply their knowledge to different situations.
 
I think Software Engineer is perfectly valid.

As for the dappiness of average Joe, the main issue is that they frequently don't know that 'proper' engineers even exist. Often 'designer' is a word used instead, which makes the work that engineers in R&D do sound rather more fluffy than it is.
 
Never under estimate the stupidity of the average Joe.

or kids. I have yet to go to a school to talk to students about Civil/Structural engineering where they haven't asked me if engineers fix cars and kitchen appliances. Proper facepalm moment sadly.
 
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