England

I've spent quite a bit of time abroad, and while I hate what's happened to my town, I still like England very much. After a few months away, I realise that I miss sitting in front of an open fire in a proper, old country pub. And I miss real ale :p

My plan, if I don't end up emigrating is just to move to a nicer area - ie: out in the countryside. There are still a lot of nice places in the UK and we have a very rich history - loads of amazing places to see. :)
 
In my experience, the people who complain like the OP are those who've made nothing of their lives, and who expect everything handed to them on a plate. I know of several people like that who have emigrated to Australia, and who now seem shocked that their life still sucks just as badly out there. If you aren't prepared to make something of your life, don't expect moving abroad will change anything.

And don't be pulled in by the Daily Mail - chavs aren't an epidemic, people don't regularly get beaten to death by mobs of teenagers and the entire world is in an economic crisis - it isn't Gordon Brown's fault.
 
MotherMayI said:
Way to get sucked in by the hyped up media bandwagon :rolleyes:
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First and foremost, I avoid the media like the plague. The only news I ever read with any confidence is that relating to science and technology.

Secondly, I live in the UK. I don't need the media to tell me that a girl was raped outside my office two weeks ago. I regularly visit my Constabulary’s website to see how the stats are looking, not good. But that's my area, and not England as a whole. However as part of my work I travel around the country on a weekly basis, I was in Luton about 2 months ago and actually witnessed someone be mugged in broad daylight.

Granted, there are places in the UK such as Kent, great place to live and little to no crime. But although it may tip the average that doesn't mean England doesn't have problems. It does, quite a few.

I don't, contrary to popular belief in this thread have any problem with immigrants, my ancestors immigrated to England. But we all made the effort to learn more than one language, just as I try to speak french when in france. That respect I see less and less in England. What's more, our own countrymen are desecrating the English language with incoherent garbage, hence my reference to the chav culture.

There used to be a time, in my father's era, where you didn't even need to lock your doors. There used to be a time when you could easily banter with the person behind the counter. And time when you could easily find good British working class labour for a decent price that did a decent job. There was a time parents let their kids out to play and didn't have to worry, or give them a mobile phone.

I've got no problem with people coming to England. I've got a problem with the people left in England, the people that have it too easy. If you don't understand how our society, and I mean British society has changed then look outside your window and ask your parents to compare what they see now to what they used to see.

Part of the problem, yes, is that we're striving to be the best in comparisons and as a result we have a lot less time for people and lot more time for money. I don't expect that to change, and England probably will never change from the damage already done. I'm just discussing that fact.

Yes, I could move blah blah blah.. and I probably will (within England), but I as others have stated enjoy the rat race, and I'll keep paying my mortgage on my property in the city, keep moving up the ladder and keep the busy lifestyle. I'm not sat here crying and desperately trying to get out, I'm just admitting to the faults in my country's progression. And yes, I probably add to it with my hectic and non-caring lifestyle. But I just thought I'd make a little thread on a forum to admit, when I think about it.. I do care! And I'll continue trying to speak to the cashiers, trying to make conversation with strangers and keeping the British spirit alive. I'll continue trying to get a youth centre in my area to direct our chav culture away from street corners and into a life they can flourish in. But it's getting harder! And that’s not my fault, that’s not me being ‘blind’ to any facts!
 
jamief said:
In my experience, the people who complain like the OP are those who've made nothing of their lives, and who expect everything handed to them on a plate. I know of several people like that who have emigrated to Australia, and who now seem shocked that their life still sucks just as badly out there. If you aren't prepared to make something of your life, don't expect moving abroad will change anything.

And don't be pulled in by the Daily Mail - chavs aren't an epidemic, people don't regularly get beaten to death by mobs of teenagers and the entire world is in an economic crisis - it isn't Gordon Brown's fault.
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Please read my above post before you jump to all of these assumptions!
 
Sawell said:
Granted, there are places in the UK such as Kent, great place to live and little to no crime. But although it may tip the average that doesn't mean England doesn't have problems. It does, quite a few.
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Kent has good and bad like anywhere else in the country to be honest, but the countryside is lovely :)

Great post btw.
 
Sawell said:
Snippity snip snip
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I agree with a lot of what you say, as I mentioned before there has been a break down in communities in the last twenty years of so in that many people no longer care about where they live or who they live next to as they can simply move rather then improve things.

However, I do feel that nostalgia is very rose tinted.
 
[DOD]Asprilla;12962918 said:
I agree with a lot of what you say, as I mentioned before there has been a break down in communities in the last twenty years of so in that many people no longer care about where they live or who they live next to as they can simply move rather then improve things.

However, I do feel that nostalgia is very rose tinted.
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True, there are always problems. I just feel our ones today impact our society a lot more, and without society people feel isolated, and isolated people tend to act out, or care less. A bit of a chain reaction if you will. As you say, more work needs to be done on our communities to combat this. Rural areas always have a much better atmosphere and crime rate, and they're always close-communities. The sad and almost ironic truth is that maybe over dense populations are the cultural cancers. But they seem to impact differently in different cultures, I mean, look at HK... lol.
 
when the pound falls more and the wages and english way of life changes, all the imigrants? will go back home i olny see it as been a good thing that it's all going wrong for now.
 
if i avoid the news (which is always doom and gloom as you know) - then tbh everything is hunky dory. Sun is shining up here again (snows gone) :)

You do get the groups of chavs occasionally but a large cattle prod helps keep them away.
 
[DOD]Asprilla;12958462 said:
My answer was serious.

Even though you might think it, we don't live in a place what your GF is going to get robbed, stabbed or raped when she walks out the door. It's very unlikely that such a thing will happen.

Non-english speakers are in the minority in the UK, so called because there are so few of them.

Chavs are over played by the media. If you think they are a new edition to the social make-up of this country then they ain't.

The government isn't trying to give you a heart-attack; in case you haven't noticed it's the entire first world that's suffering, not just you and not just the UK.

The NHS can provide excellent care, but you rarely hear about the good side because it's a soft political target. As an example, the feedback I get from foreign mothers I know is that the pre and post natal care provided by the NHS is vastly superior to anywhere outside Scandinavia.

No-one is laughing at you. You need to realise that as a British person living in Britain you're pretty much at the top of the pile in terms of the quality of life you have available to you, regardless of what anyone says or what the newspapers would have you think.
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I agree.

Stop reading the Daily Mail, and start reading world news. Then realise how very lucky we are.
 
Raymond Lin said:
Ha, i am elligable for the Green Card Lottery ;) :p
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Not a UK native, then?


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BRAZIL, CANADA, CHINA (mainland-born), COLOMBIA, DOMINICAN REPUBLIC, EL SALVADOR, HAITI, INDIA, JAMAICA, MEXICO, PAKISTAN, PHILIPPINES, PERU, POLAND, RUSSIA, SOUTH KOREA, UNITED KINGDOM (except Northern Ireland) and its dependent territories, and VIETNAM. Persons born in Hong Kong SAR, Macau SAR and Taiwan are eligible.
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You need to realise that as a British person living in Britain you're pretty much at the top of the pile in terms of the quality of life you have available to you, regardless of what anyone says or what the newspapers would have you think.
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Whilst i agree with this statement - it should be put in perspective.
If someone is having a hard time in life atm you dont tell them to compare their plight with the starving in africa and count their blessings. Such advice doesnt really help to be honest.

The reason why is because his cup is bigger than theirs.

In wealthier nations - bigger cup so you need more water to "fill" it. If they dont get enough water then they struggle. Not struggle to stay alive but struggle in their own lives to meet their expectations of "happiness" etc

In nations who dont have many of the luxuries we take for granted its a smaller cup - so easier to fill. Less expectations on life, less dissapointments because no time or luxury to worry about such things when every day is a struggle for survival.
 
I'll be off too. I don't especially dislike Britain, but i want to see the rest of the world, live in it, then decide where i want to retire based on my lifetime of experiences :)
 
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