Enoch wuz 'ere?

Erazor · 29 May 2007 at 18:08

Is it just me or are more and more people finding past right wing idols, insulting burkha clad women and posting other tosh simply to justify the death of the liberal? Where I live in Manchester, multiculturism is thriving and has been a huge success story. Sure, you get radical Christians, Jews, Islamists from time to time but they will always exist and will never mend their ways due to blind hatrid

As for insulting a particular group of people because of what they wear, what they look like, what they think. surely isn't the right way to go? (excuse the pun

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The polls of course always reflect liberal thinking and always will, opinions?

Zip · 29 May 2007 at 18:10

The only problem i have with What Muslims wear is the ones that wear those women that wear the full face gown thing.

IMO i think its a security risk and its only a matter of time before someone releases they can probably rob a bank and cover there identity by wearing one

Erazor · 29 May 2007 at 18:12

Zip said:
The only problem i have with What Muslims wear is the ones that wear those women that wear the full face gown thing.

IMO i think its a security risk and its only a matter of time before someone releases they can probably rob a bank and cover there identity by wearing one

Online banking perhaps

alexakasloth · 29 May 2007 at 18:29

I don't think that insulting a group because of how they look or what they wear is right, however I don't agree with the way the law forces people together if they do not want, for example not being able to discriminate against people because of their religion, and other personal choices. I'm not saying I agree with people doing it, however I think that they should still have the choice to do so if they so wish. As long as it's because of a personal choice, you can discriminate against people for other personal choices - hair colour for example and tatoos.
IMO they are very similar.

Erazor · 29 May 2007 at 18:33

$loth said:
I don't think that insulting a group because of how they look or what they wear is right, however I don't agree with the way the law forces people together if they do not want, for example not being able to discriminate against people because of their religion, and other personal choices. I'm not saying I agree with people doing it, however I think that they should still have the choice to do so if they so wish. As long as it's because of a personal choice, you can discriminate against people for other personal choices - hair colour for example and tatoos.
IMO they are very similar.

Ok, I grant you freedom from the law

What do you wish to do?

alexakasloth · 29 May 2007 at 18:40

Don't get me wrong, I don't agree with discrimination on many bases, though there are some execptions (pedo's for example).

What i'm saying is just because we think that one way of doing things is 'fair', as you've said;

As for insulting a particular group of people because of what they wear, what they look like, what they think. surely isn't the right way to go?

To other's this wouldn't be fair, as it would clash with their way of thinking, i.e being able to judge someone on their appearance and what they choose to believe.

cleanbluesky · 29 May 2007 at 18:43

Erazor said:
Is it just me or are more and more people finding past right wing idols, insulting burkha clad women and posting other tosh simply to justify the death of the liberal?

I don't understand the question.

Where I live in Manchester, multiculturism is thriving and has been a huge success story. Sure, you get radical Christians, Jews, Islamists from time to time but they will always exist and will never mend their ways due to blind hatrid

You mean like Whitman, Price and Hadan?

*bonus points for guessing the film trivia link

As for insulting a particular group of people because of what they wear, what they look like, what they think. surely isn't the right way to go? (excuse the pun )

This is not a case of insults, or at least I hope it is not. We are free to comment on anything in society I think there is always a valid reason to be free to criticise the thoughts of others.

Erazor · 29 May 2007 at 18:46

$loth said:
To other's this wouldn't be fair, as it would clash with their way of thinking, i.e being able to judge someone on their appearance and what they choose to believe.

You do realise you are free to believe what you wish

Banning costume parties, people who wear pink etc. is not part of the law either. If you don't like someone's Jeans or brand of trainers, you can always look away

Erazor · 29 May 2007 at 18:52

cleanbluesky said:
I don't understand the question.

You mean like Whitman, Price and Hadan?

*bonus points for guessing the film trivia link

This is not a case of insults, or at least I hope it is not. We are free to comment on anything in society I think there is always a valid reason to be free to criticise the thoughts of others.

2007 is very different from 2001, soon, it will be 2008 - beware

So when the fire brigade protest and bring the country to a standstill, then get a pay rise for a reward. This is considered acceptable behaviour? No,the law is the law. The individuals involved in the riot have been prosecuted where there has been police evidence. no one is free to break the law, not fuel protesters, not animal rights groups, not anybody :cool:

cleanbluesky · 29 May 2007 at 18:55

Erazor said:
2007 is very different from 2001, soon, it will be 2008 - beware

What does the future hold?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/6594911.stm

A 'time bomb' according to the CRE. Is that what you consider success?

So when the fire brigade protest and bring the country to a standstill, then get a pay rise for a reward. This is considered acceptable behaviour? No,the law is the law. The individuals involved in the riot have been prosecuted where there has been police evidence. no one is free to break the law, not fuel protesters, not anybody

I don't understand the relevance of this statement...

Wang · 29 May 2007 at 19:04

cleanbluesky said:
You mean like Whitman, Price and Hadan?

*bonus points for guessing the film trivia link

Is it The Running Man? I could do with some points

cleanbluesky · 29 May 2007 at 19:05

Wang said:
Is it The Running Man? I could do with some points

You sir, are a winner

Erazor · 29 May 2007 at 19:07

cleanbluesky said:
What does the future hold?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/6594911.stm

A 'time bomb' according to the CRE. Is that what you consider success?

I don't understand the relevance of this statement...

To keep it simple for you, rioting is not acceptable

As far as schools segregating, did you know where a large amount of Christians live, they go to a mostly Christian school, where a large amount of Irish live, they go to a Catholic school, where a large amount of muslims live, they go to a an Islamic school. It's called freedom of choice not segregation

I went a mixed school, for the perentage concerned, it was about 15% black, 10% Pakistani, 5% Chinese, 5% mediterranean, 5% Welsh, 10% scottish, 5% Irish, 55% White Mancunian, there was no quota, percentages will go up and down in each group as people leave school etc.

cleanbluesky · 29 May 2007 at 19:14

Erazor said:
It's called freedom of choice not segregation

I don't think anyone has implied that segregation is not by choice... do you have a argument to put forward in this thread?

If we call it 'freedom of choice', does it make the situation any less of a problem?

Erazor · 29 May 2007 at 19:16

cleanbluesky said:
If we call it 'freedom of choice', does it make the situation any less of a problem?

What situation? What problem? :confused:

Should we close the stock market for having different shares listed on there? If you are so concerned, I suggest you consider being home taught

dirtydog · 29 May 2007 at 19:19

Erazor said:
Where I live in Manchester, multiculturism is thriving and has been a huge success story.

In what way is it thriving or a success?

Erazor · 29 May 2007 at 19:23

dirtydog said:
In what way is it thriving or a success?

It is economically and socially successful, when I go to a bar, I get to mix with other cultures in addition to my own. Makes me feel like I'm wearing a comfortable pair of shoes when I go on holiday because I understand some of the culture and language, and sometimes get a place to stay

It also introduces me to a wider variety of food, music and cinema

cleanbluesky · 29 May 2007 at 19:32

Erazor said:
It is economically and socially successful, when I go to a bar, I get to mix with other cultures in addition to my own. Makes me feel like I'm wearing a comfortable pair of shoes when I go on holiday because I understand some of the culture and language, and sometimes get a place to stay It also introduces me to a wider variety of food, music and cinema

Previously I thought you naive, now I think you a liar. Your communication skills are minimal yet you expect us to believe that you have the capacity to make 'friends' with people from different cultures in a part of the country whose previous claim to fame has been Oasis and race riots.

I'm curious about your stories of how you 'sometimes get a place to stay' unless you mean a hotel, which would not really be a skill given to you by multiculturalism.

Another curiosity is that everyone I know who has managed to learn about other cultures within the UK doesn't have a vague sense of positivity towards them because they learn about both the good and the bad.

Perhaps you could share stories of your adventures and tell us what you have learnt about other cultures... Do you catch much foreign cinema? Perhaps you can tell us some of your favourites?

Erazor · 29 May 2007 at 19:57

In February, I went to Singapore and a friend's parents put me up for 2 weeks whilst I was on tour. I also wanted to go to Japan but I got sidetracked by a business meeting in Amsterdam. Another friend recently took me to see Provoked starring Ashywariya Rai which is a Bollywood flick, in return, I took him to see Pirates of the Caribbean 3 but I have to say both movies were not very good. I am trying to be negative, but actually I'm quite a positive person. A chinese friend of mine took me to an all you can eat buffet for a fiver during lunch, not really keen on Chinese but was actually impressed by the hot and sour soup, crackers and sweet and sour chicken. This week I promised to take him for an Italian Pizza or Nandos, still undecided on where to go yet.

As for today, me and the wife did not feel like cooking today, so opted for some fish n chips, only wish The Apprentice was on today not tommorrow

Anything else you would like to know?

ElvisFan · 29 May 2007 at 20:05

Erazor said:
Is it just me or are more and more people finding past right wing idols, insulting burkha clad women and posting other tosh simply to justify the death of the liberal? Where I live in Manchester, multiculturism is thriving and has been a huge success story. Sure, you get radical Christians, Jews, Islamists from time to time but they will always exist and will never mend their ways due to blind hatrid

As for insulting a particular group of people because of what they wear, what they look like, what they think. surely isn't the right way to go? (excuse the pun )

The polls of course always reflect liberal thinking and always will, opinions?

I think you'll find that most sane people would agree with the following clip: