Enter Shikari

Docaroo · 11 Jul 2007 at 21:43

Phalanx said:
The actual music itself is very technical, a lot of their songs have complex rhythmic passages and often incorporate time signature changes (similar bands simply don't do this apart from Exit Ten).

One other thing... if you think that Enter Shikari's music is "technical" you need to hear more music. It isn't technical. Throwing a stupid time signature in at random doesn't make music techincal... I'll show you technical music:

Observe:

Symphony X - Set the World on Fire

Symphony X - Inferno

Symphony X - Domination

Docaroo · 11 Jul 2007 at 21:55

I would also like to take this moment to advise all forumites and Enter Shikari themselves that the following is NOT appropriate use of dissonance:

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Do not foul my ears by playing these notes together ever again. It's not big nor clever. You aren't being musical geniuses by playing two notes seperated by only one semitone together to create "tension" and "angst" in a song - it just sounds ****. Don't do it.

If in doubt read here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semitone

You need at least 2 of them...

marc2003 · 11 Jul 2007 at 22:26

Docaroo said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1UWAzFOK4YA

oh my. i got about 15 seconds into that clip and that was enough. how can anyone listen to such tripe? :eek:

it would be interesting to survey the age of people who like this. i can't see many people who aren't in their teens liking it? :confused:

Dreadi · 11 Jul 2007 at 22:28

for god sake get over it, some people will like them, some wont. Just cus your a guitar elitist doesn't mean people have to hate music that isn't technical enough for your liking....

BenjiSayers · 11 Jul 2007 at 22:52

lol, this seems to spiraled out of control.

I quite like that mothership song, its quite catchy....

As long as they enjoy what they are doing and people enjoy what they are doing then good on them! I for one quite do...although I will admit the novelty is wearing off a lil bit.

Docaroo · 11 Jul 2007 at 23:50

Dreadi said:
for god sake get over it, some people will like them, some wont. Just cus your a guitar elitist doesn't mean people have to hate music that isn't technical enough for your liking....

That's not the point... fair enough I'm being elitist but you can't go around claiming that your £17 ASDA suit matches my £5k Armani just because you sew an Armani label on!??

You can't list one of Enter Shikari's points for being good musicians by saying they are technical simply because they are not. That is the point I was making.

And further you can't make claims that their guitarist has nailed "one of the best metal guitar tones ever" when clearly he has not. Infact it is one of the worst I've heard. I was merely rebuting several invalid points...

Phalanx · 12 Jul 2007 at 00:44

gratz on taking everything I said out of context

I will hereby provide evidence to back this up including the WORST GUITAR TONE I HAVE EVER HEARD coupled with the worst guitar riff I have ever heard.

The riff is this the worst riff I have ever heard (occurs at around 1:30 area):

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and you're telling me that this guitar tone is "fantastic" and one of the best in metal?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1UWAzFOK4YA

Ear test for Phalanx.

All round garbage I'm afraid.

Firstly, I didn't say the guitar tone is "one of the best in metal", i said "far better than most metal guitarist", there is a difference. But if you compare ES's guitar tone to the likes of Meshuggah, you can hear a similarity and for a band like Meshuggah who have spent years refining their tone, it's very impressive for ES to have got this far already sound wise.

If you're referring to that video, obviously you don't own their album, considering that video was posted almost a year ago, you're in the past i'm afraid. Also considering Mothership is their worst song, you're using one song to represent the entire band? geez, how silly is that? that'd be like saying Dream Theater suck because Pull Me Under is such a lame and uninspired opening to a superb album wouldn't it?

One other thing... if you think that Enter Shikari's music is "technical" you need to hear more music. It isn't technical. Throwing a stupid time signature in at random doesn't make music techincal... I'll show you technical music:

Observe:

Symphony X - Set the World on Fire

Symphony X - Inferno

Symphony X - Domination

taking me completely out of context? firstly, those symphony X songs are even technical if you want to be a complete elitist fag (let me direct you to Spastic Ink and Spiral Architect, elitism seems to be your thing).

I stand by saying that Enter Shikari are technical, they're a hell of a lot more technical than their competition.

Now shoo, you phailed

Docaroo · 12 Jul 2007 at 01:38

Phalanx said:
I stand by saying that Enter Shikari are technical, they're a hell of a lot more technical than their competition.

They are more technical than their competition in the way that Oscar Pistorius is. It's not in the same league as real "technical" music... I was merely pointing that out to you since you seemed ignorant...

Either way I don't care. You obviously like them, I don't. That's about it. Yes I'm a music nazi, I don't care about that either - however I can tell when something especially **** comes along.

mks2005 · 12 Jul 2007 at 12:02

One More Solo said:
God awful, and I mean awful band. "Hey, look at us, we're different because amongst the screaming and horrific drop tuned guitar there's the slightest hint of supersaw synth there!" About as trancey and credible as DJ Sammy.

My sentiments exactly.

Look at how nu-rave we are. We have an arpeggio supersaw melody running throughout our song.

FAIL.

Phalanx · 12 Jul 2007 at 16:11

Docaroo said:
They are more technical than their competition in the way that Oscar Pistorius is. It's not in the same league as real "technical" music... I was merely pointing that out to you since you seemed ignorant...

kinda the same ignorance as judging an entire band by their worst song?

Docaroo said:
Either way I don't care.

You seemed to really care considering you quoted their tablature and even went out your way to track one of their music videos from youtube all to confirm an invalid point which had a foundation of pure ignorance (since we're using this word now).

Docaroo said:
Yes I'm a music nazi,

If you're a music nazi, you should get out more and listen to actual elitist bands since Symphony X are far from it.

Docaroo said:
however I can tell when something especially **** comes along.

you kinda confirmed you can't

Johno please? · 12 Jul 2007 at 17:14

Docaroo said:
I would also like to take this moment to advise all forumites and Enter Shikari themselves that the following is NOT appropriate use of dissonance:

Code:

e|------------------------------------| B|---6---6---6----11---11---11--------| G|---9---9---9----14---14---14--------|

Do not foul my ears by playing these notes together ever again. It's not big nor clever. You aren't being musical geniuses by playing two notes seperated by only one semitone together to create "tension" and "angst" in a song - it just sounds ****. Don't do it.

If in doubt read here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semitone

You need at least 2 of them...

Loads of Metal bands do that :confused:

Maybe its because you love hair metal and spandex :eek:

BenjiSayers · 12 Jul 2007 at 17:50

are we still going on about this??

Docaroo · 13 Jul 2007 at 01:28

RSH said:
Loads of Metal bands do that

Maybe its because you love hair metal and spandex

no they certainly do not..

loads of EMO bands do it... it's just wrong.

Neoni · 13 Jul 2007 at 02:19

Sweetloaf said:
Shame really, music tends to be more about the ears.

"Tends to be more about the ears"

so i wasnt wrong then was i.

foo.

Dreadi · 13 Jul 2007 at 14:11

Docaroo said:
........ Infact it is one of the worst I've heard. I was merely rebuting several invalid points...

Yes you, not everyone.....

Mephisto · 13 Jul 2007 at 18:11

I've heard a few of their songs on Scuzz. It's among some of the worst music I have ever heard.

Johno please? · 13 Jul 2007 at 19:04

Docaroo said:
no they certainly do not..

loads of EMO bands do it... it's just wrong.

Yes.... they do... urm off the top of my head.

Mastodon, Unearth, Caliban, Trivium... im sure theres looooads more, its a proven way to get a weird sound thats all I thought....it does and can sound cool.

Docaroo · 13 Jul 2007 at 21:08

RSH said:
Yes.... they do... urm off the top of my head.

Mastodon, Unearth, Caliban, Trivium... im sure theres looooads more, its a proven way to get a weird sound thats all I thought....it does and can sound cool.

Those are the exact sort of terrible bands I mean. Trivium are almost as bad as Enter Shikari... not quite but they are up there. The only place I've heard this form of dissonance used well is in J.S Bach's organ works and similar classical pieces. It sounds horrible coming out of a distorted guitar and is not big nor clever. There's no need for it.

Mephisto said:
I've heard a few of their songs on Scuzz. It's among some of the worst music I have ever heard.

This post was worth a quote

Johno please? · 13 Jul 2007 at 21:49

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Docaroo said:
Those are the exact sort of terrible bands I mean. Trivium are almost as bad as Enter Shikari..

This post was worth a quote

omg you are indeed full of it.... is Ascension your band? Sorry that name was taken a few years ago

Oh wait, you must be part of the Dragonforce crew, yay hair metal and gay vocals

Northwind · 13 Jul 2007 at 23:47

What's odd about Enter Shikari is that traditionally with a metal/anything crossover the metal will be fine and the other half will be dire. Kennedy Soundtrack, Hed(pe), etc etc. But with Enter Shikari, the dancey bits are just about passable, and the metal part's horrible. Very original

I did enjoy their live show at t in the park though, there's potential there. Lots of it, I think. Album 2 might be very good, if they can actually manage to blend the styles like they do just occasionally on the first one, if they can make the vocals just a little bit less prevalently awful. The song Enter Shikari, my word, could the vocals be worse? He doesn't have the power to do that sort of growl/scrape, not even close, I doubt he'll be able to carry it on for long either. That wee lassie out of Defenestration's probably on the dole, hire her, she could roar. What were they thinking when he sang "I want to see you get your teeth round this", it sounds awful. He can do a passable Colin Doran, on Johnny Sniper, but he can't do a Frank Turner or a Robb Flynn.

If you like Enter Shikari, go and listen to Pitchshifter and the Mad Capsule Markets, and Fear Factory, and maybe ATR, they were doing something similiar before Enter Shikari's balls dropped, and far far better. Or maybe I've just got old. Pitchshifter are playing London in October, go see them. GO.

Docaroo said:
Because they are jumping on this whole "emo kids" scene started by Funeral for a Friend...

Yes, because Funeral For a Friend were the first emo band ever. Still, if you want to hit someone with the sellout bat they might be a viable target though, since they seem to have turned into Jimmy Eat World. Enter Shikari don't sound much like 'em though.