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Entry level Alder Lake: i5-12400 review, the new value king

Ross Thomson said:
Unless you see a comparison with a value budget GPU then you can't say its the value king. Comparing a 5600x with a MSI Radeon RX 6900XT Gaming X OC doesn't show value just the CPU bottle neck which isn't relevant for value systems.
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Frankly i don't care about the labels tech journalists apply to products like "Value King" Intel hate that label, they are not doing them any favours by giving it to them.

If a CPU is good and inexpensive leave it at that, don't try and do their marketing for them. No one wants the "Value" label.
 
humbug said:
Frankly i don't care about the labels tech journalists apply to products like "Value King" Intel hate that label, they are not doing them any favours by giving it to them.

If a CPU is good and inexpensive leave it at that, don't try and do their marketing for them. No one wants the "Value" label.
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I would be surprised if that's the case considering they've sponsored reviews in the past that use that exact term.
 
humbug said:
So it is Apples for Oranges, "its only a bit different" is not a justification.
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Come on you and I both know 2mb of L3 is not going to make much of any difference and besides there is a few different reviews floating around now using the actual chips that seem to corroborate Igors results.

humbug said:
Frankly i don't care about the labels tech journalists apply to products like "Value King" Intel hate that label, they are not doing them any favours by giving it to them.

If a CPU is good and inexpensive leave it at that, don't try and do their marketing for them. No one wants the "Value" label.
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Nothing wrong with being branded the Value King as many buyers are looking for value, at the other end Intel also has the 12900k which is the performance King so something for everyone.
 
Joxeon said:
Come on you and I both know 2mb of L3 is not going to make much of any difference and besides there is a few different reviews floating around now using the actual chips that seem to corroborate Igors results.
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Steve Walton got higher results with the 10900K by disabling half the cores, because the remaining cores had more cache available to them, no it was not "much" but it was there.

Aside from that i'm not questioning his result, Igore is someone who presents himself as an academic, someone of standing in his field, someone whose results are to be trusted, fine, okay.... but then them i'm going to hold them to that standard.
 
humbug said:
If Intel want to be seen as "The Value King" sure go for it, i think AMD would be glad to see Intel with that label too.
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Nothing wrong with putting out great products at good and equally being a premium brand like AMD wants to be only works if those premium products are better than the budget ones as it won't take people long to figure out they are being taken for a ride.
 
Joxeon said:
Nothing wrong with putting out great products at good and equally being a premium brand like AMD wants to be only works if those premium products are better than the budget ones as it won't take people long to figure out they are being taken for a ride.
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Weird you say that, but how come that wasn't being said about Intel then when they were fleecing people generation after generation with little to no progress at all. Being a premium brand means just that, you can charge more for something that doesn't offer more. Plenty of industries and products out there to see that first hand, it is all about marketing and the buzz word around here 'mindshare' and Intel certainly don't want to be seen as the 'value' brand that is the last thing they want, hence having something like a 12900KS at £600+ even if it isn't good value it looks to be premium.
 
Joxeon said:
Nothing wrong with putting out great products at good and equally being a premium brand like AMD wants to be only works if those premium products are better than the budget ones as it won't take people long to figure out they are being taken for a ride.
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Looks at topic of post, sees usual suspects taking people for rides. This thread is about the 12600 silicon which isn’t the 12400.
 
Joxeon said:
Nothing wrong with putting out great products at good and equally being a premium brand like AMD wants to be only works if those premium products are better than the budget ones as it won't take people long to figure out they are being taken for a ride.
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I didn't say there was, we are not in disagreement on that, you're missing the point, like it or not assigning labels like that to a company has its own marketing effect and labels like "Value" are not positive.

KIA are a car brand with the "Value" label, in peoples minds that translates to "Cheap" KIA have been making very good high quality cars for some years now, just as good as Japanese and German equivalents, a lot of people still think they are a lower quality car and its because people used to say of them "Well, they are good value" and they have been trying to rid themselves of that image for years.
 
Journey said:
It's not sadly, since not all the cheaper boards can put the TAU at a limitless state.
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Hey Journey are you working as a sys arc?

I was just looking at the midrange Alder lake chipsets and it seems the H630 and below are single channel memory. Am I reading this right? Or is that a typo in the docs?
 
jigger said:
Hey Journey are you working as a sys arc?

I was just looking at the midrange Alder lake chipsets and it seems the H630 and below are single channel memory. Am I reading this right? Or is that a typo in the docs?
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You are reading it right, but it's the H610 that is single channel, one to avoid unless making a system for something not important.
 
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