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Who would have thought that feminists are lazy, entitled, whinge bags???
Middle class white women problems.
Equal Pay for different Job roles?
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Middle class white women problems.
Watching the news right now, and it seems to determine if a job is of "equal value", they use a point scoring system (of course, what else?).I'm glad that the car thieves, muggers and burglars who these female dog handlers will be chasing and attempting to apprehend have gotten on board with this and agreed to "go easy" on the female dog handlers who failed to meet the previous entry requirements
Skill/Training,
Responsibility,
Physical needs,
Emotional needs.
HOWEVER.. the physical and emotional needs are weighed the same for all jobs.
So in this case (directly from the lawyers mouth), the jobs are of equal value because, although the warehousing job is physically demanding, the checkout job is apparently equally "emotionally demanding".
I'm not even sure how to start with that. A checkout girl having a goss, or making crap small-talk - "Oh it a bit hot today, isn't it? Would you like your bags packed?" - it equally as demanding as moving pallets loaded with goods around a warehouse.
This country we live in. Utterly bonkers. Stop the train I want to get off.
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They wouldn't have anything to sell if the warehouse workers didn't take the deliveries and put them on the shelves.
This line of argument is ridiculous if you really get into it. You could argue that Finance clerks should be the highest paid staff, equal to the CEO, because they work in the same type of environment and process all of the invoices and send and receive money, without which the company wouldn't exist.
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Other idea: don't hire women.
If by that you mean ASDA are losing...
https://www.theguardian.com/busines...increase-pay-shop-floor-staff-equal-pay-claim
They lost at tribunal, and they lost (on all counts) at appeal tribunal, and are now heading for the Court of Appeal.
So it seems the law may find in favour of the checkout staff. Crazy but true.
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Guess we need a quota system and force women to do the **** jobs so we have a 50/50 split. Want job seekers allowance? You can't refuse going on the bins.
If anything women should be better at cleaning drains because they are smaller and able to fit in the poo, fat, and used nappy blocked drains. (Which they should be since they are probably responsible for more than 50% of the blockages)
Here's another semi related fake gender discrimination story.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-42578224 The women still struggling to vote? Read it and it's nothing to do with her sex, but all down to being partially sighted.
If anything women should be better at cleaning drains because they are smaller and able to fit in the poo, fat, and used nappy blocked drains. (Which they should be since they are probably responsible for more than 50% of the blockages)
Here's another semi related fake gender discrimination story.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-42578224 The women still struggling to vote? Read it and it's nothing to do with her sex, but all down to being partially sighted.
Haha I read that story and thought exactly the same thing. It has absolutely nothing to do with being a woman.
Don
Indeed, the obvious unintended consequence to this is for companies to preferentially hire males into shop floor roles at the expense of females.
And more automation. Robots can't bring class lawsuits yet
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The start? Public sector employers had common pay scales across diverse job roles for decades, I just think we'll see the private sector adopt something similar soon.
It’s all quite irritating. The whole focus on the women when I’d hazard a guess that whilst front end (checkouts) is indeed more so women, shop floor staff in general is probably around an equal split...so plenty of men are not being paid the same as distribution centre staff either but it’s almost being sidelined as if the men aren’t important here
“At Asda, hourly paid colleagues doing the same job in the same location are paid the same. Men and women doing the same job in our retail stores are paid the same. Men and women doing the same job in our distribution centres are paid the same. Pay rates in stores differ from pay rates in distribution centres for legitimate reasons, including the different market rates for different jobs in different sectors.”
I think that’s a reasonable statement if you ask me.
“At Asda, hourly paid colleagues doing the same job in the same location are paid the same. Men and women doing the same job in our retail stores are paid the same. Men and women doing the same job in our distribution centres are paid the same. Pay rates in stores differ from pay rates in distribution centres for legitimate reasons, including the different market rates for different jobs in different sectors.”
I think that’s a reasonable statement if you ask me.
Don
I don't think companies in the private sector can afford to be so wasteful though and get away with it.
Indeed. The question nobody is seemingly asking here is, why aren't women applying for these jobs? The obvious answer is they don't believe it pays enough for the work they would be doing - ergo the men are being underpaid!It’s all quite irritating. The whole focus on the women when I’d hazard a guess that whilst front end (checkouts) is indeed more so women, shop floor staff in general is probably around an equal split...so plenty of men are not being paid the same as distribution centre staff either but it’s almost being sidelined as if the men aren’t important here
“At Asda, hourly paid colleagues doing the same job in the same location are paid the same. Men and women doing the same job in our retail stores are paid the same. Men and women doing the same job in our distribution centres are paid the same. Pay rates in stores differ from pay rates in distribution centres for legitimate reasons, including the different market rates for different jobs in different sectors.”
I think that’s a reasonable statement if you ask me.
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Man of Honour
Sounds like these women have been listening to Jordan Peterson, about the reasons why women aren't as well represented in the high earners bracket. If you don't ask, you'll never get it.
I think the gender angle seems to be because work usually deemed to be more feminine or suited to women (like checkouts) tends to have a lower perceived value in society. I've not done the research to know how true that is but it's not the first time i've heard this argument.
I worked in a supermarket for around 4 years and I'd take Warehouse/loading bay/back of store roles over front of store any day of the week. I moved from days to nights and tasks that used to take 2-3 hours can be done in 40-60mins at night. No need to worry about cages blocking isles, spills, customers looking for products, getting called onto checkouts cause it's too busy, dealing with complaints, people messing up shelves while you're trying to sort them out. It's more physically demanding when you're not customer facing but you're constantly busy and you get used to the workload which makes time fly.
I've worked in every section and the worst ones usually were the least physically demanding. Checkouts are particularly bad, but hot food/meat & fish counters were hell. I think in my 4 years there I saw at least 10 members of staff leave the counters crying because of abusive customers.
Also I'm not sure if it was just the supermarket I worked at but shop floor staff seem to be moving from specialised roles to jack of all trades. Personally I find it a lot more taxing to be shifted around from section to section then having free reign of the warehouse where it's pretty simple repetitive work. Thats not to say it's without it's own struggles, dealing with tipped over cages, keeping the loading bay clear of hazards, getting temperature sensitive products to the right place, late/early deliveries, stubborn drivers etc. Add to that I'm not even that strong and the workload was never too much to handle.
I think the gender angle seems to be because work usually deemed to be more feminine or suited to women (like checkouts) tends to have a lower perceived value in society. I've not done the research to know how true that is but it's not the first time i've heard this argument.
I worked in a supermarket for around 4 years and I'd take Warehouse/loading bay/back of store roles over front of store any day of the week. I moved from days to nights and tasks that used to take 2-3 hours can be done in 40-60mins at night. No need to worry about cages blocking isles, spills, customers looking for products, getting called onto checkouts cause it's too busy, dealing with complaints, people messing up shelves while you're trying to sort them out. It's more physically demanding when you're not customer facing but you're constantly busy and you get used to the workload which makes time fly.
I've worked in every section and the worst ones usually were the least physically demanding. Checkouts are particularly bad, but hot food/meat & fish counters were hell. I think in my 4 years there I saw at least 10 members of staff leave the counters crying because of abusive customers.
Also I'm not sure if it was just the supermarket I worked at but shop floor staff seem to be moving from specialised roles to jack of all trades. Personally I find it a lot more taxing to be shifted around from section to section then having free reign of the warehouse where it's pretty simple repetitive work. Thats not to say it's without it's own struggles, dealing with tipped over cages, keeping the loading bay clear of hazards, getting temperature sensitive products to the right place, late/early deliveries, stubborn drivers etc. Add to that I'm not even that strong and the workload was never too much to handle.
Lol, working on the checkouts isn't an unknown quantity.
For a start, many of us will have done this work as children/young adults between college semesters. Myself included, btw. I worked on the checkouts at Tesco, funnily enough.
To say that the work is "emotionally demanding" is absolute nonsense. If I could do it as a teenager - me with almost zero social skills whatsoever - then frankly it's not an "emotionally demanding" role at all.
Unless I'm doing myself a disservice and the majority of checkout operators are so fragile that smiling at a customer and offering to help them pack is on the same level as solitary confinement in Guantanamo
Personally I think explicit4u is expressing annoyance at dealing with customers/ customer facing roles. Annoyance and disdain. Rather than genuine emotional stress. And not only that, I believe many checkout operators will have zero trouble and zero emotional stress in performing their role.
Prove me wrong?
I was asking a question, I don't have to prove anything.
You've provided your take on it, I'd like to hear @explicit4u's side as well.
Man of Honour
Lol, working on the checkouts isn't an unknown quantity.
For a start, many of us will have done this work as children/young adults between college semesters. Myself included, btw. I worked on the checkouts at Tesco, funnily enough.
To say that the work is "emotionally demanding" is absolute nonsense. If I could do it as a teenager - me with almost zero social skills whatsoever - then frankly it's not an "emotionally demanding" role at all.
Unless I'm doing myself a disservice and the majority of checkout operators are so fragile that smiling at a customer and offering to help them pack is on the same level as solitary confinement in Guantanamo
Personally I think explicit4u is expressing annoyance at dealing with customers/ customer facing roles. Annoyance and disdain. Rather than genuine emotional stress. And not only that, I believe many checkout operators will have zero trouble and zero emotional stress in performing their role.
Prove me wrong?
Its heavily dependent on so many things. Store location, type of customer, what shifts you work, how well the TL/manager can run the line, PoS hardware, store size etc. etc. Heck even the economic climate can effect how stressful that job can be, working when staff are being cut and you're expected to deliver more with less resources is a pain. For example my 7-1 Saturday morning shift was nothing compared to working 5-9:30, 30mins of that evening shift pulled in more than the entire 7-1 shift.
I'd also imagine that the people in the lawsuit aren't working there between semesters, it's very different when you're full time and thats your job year round.
Nope not at all, just giving an account of my experience and what I saw while I was there. I basically work in IT support now so dealing with customers and/or being customer facing isn't a problem for me, I actually enjoy it when I have the time to build a rapport with my regulars (as I used to when I worked retail). And thats from someone with fluctuating social anxiety.
No it's not the hardest job in the world but it can get extremely stressful at times, and it's important to have a good team around you. Checkouts are by far the chattiest bunch but I'd say they need it the most because they get pushed hard. In a supermarket environment the only stand out jobs would be working on the counters or being a delivery driver, both of which attract a slightly higher pay to recognise that.