Poll: Erik ten Hag Sack Watch & Next Manchester United Manager? Sacked. Ruben Amorim appointed.

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Bear said:
a group of players that are capable of playing the way he wants.
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Does he really? Average forwards and a young striker, second/third choice defenders. New midfielder untested in EPL. Dodgy keeper who can't kick, prone to errors.

It feels like (and plays like) a make-shift setup.

Probably good enough for top 6, if nothing improves after the first two matches.
 
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GarethSouthgate said:
Does he really? Average forwards and a young striker, second/third choice defenders. New midfielder untested in EPL.
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At this point, if he doesn't have the players to play the way he wants, then he clearly doesn't have much of a playing style in mind.

You aren't afforded the luxury of having 11 world class, league tested players in every position. That won't happen, he's got to develop them and the team. No sign of this in his tenure so far.

I have no real issue with some bad results on the way, but I expect to see much better performances than the utter garbage we had to endure last season.
 
Robbo said:
At this point, if he doesn't have the players to play the way he wants, then he clearly doesn't have much of a playing style in mind.

You aren't afforded the luxury of having 11 world class, league tested players in every position. That won't happen, he's got to develop them and the team. No sign of this in his tenure so far.

I have no real issue with some bad results on the way, but I expect to see much better performances than the utter garbage we had to endure last season.
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Hopefully Ugarte is the magic sauce.
 
GarethSouthgate said:
Does he really? Average forwards and a young striker, second/third choice defenders. New midfielder untested in EPL. Dodgy keeper who can't kick, prone to errors.

It feels like (and plays like) a make-shift setup.

Probably good enough for top 6, if nothing improves after the first two matches.
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while all those things in your opening sentence may be true, ETH still needs to be getting something different from the team compared to last year. our results aren't the only thing that needs to improve - how the team performs has to be taken into consideration at least equally, if not maybe more so than actual results. playing like turd and winning with a wonder goal or a fluke has to stop being the 'norm'........despite the defeat and general malaise still surrounding the team i actually think they've not made a bad start to the season, given the issues in your first sentence.

that being said, it's silly to be talking about this just yet (eth's likely dismissal) as i said we're only 2 games into the season and despite the negativity we certainly have looked a whole lot better than we did after the 1st 2 games of the season last year.....yes we haven't looked anywhere near great but compared to this stage early last season, i'll take the little positives where i can get them :p
 
Thekwango said:
while all those things in your opening sentence may be true, ETH still needs to be getting something different from the team compared to last year.
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Absolutely, and I agree with the rest of your post too.

I guess the broader point is that if ETH 'fails' then the new structure needs to take a long hard look at what's going on and what has gone on historically because they surely can't afford to give the next manager another £600m+.
 
Robbo said:
At this point, if he doesn't have the players to play the way he wants, then he clearly doesn't have much of a playing style in mind.

You aren't afforded the luxury of having 11 world class, league tested players in every position. That won't happen, he's got to develop them and the team. No sign of this in his tenure so far.

I have no real issue with some bad results on the way, but I expect to see much better performances than the utter garbage we had to endure last season.
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Regarding development of players, perhaps they've maxed their development already? Given that we struggle to sell players and not many who leave do great after they leave is testament to this? Is it all on ETH?
 
GarethSouthgate said:
Is it all on ETH?
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Rashford not being able to look across the line and keep himself onside certainly can’t be blamed on eth. Keeping playing someone who can’t do such a relatively simple task is though. Unless his hands are tied, so to speak, and he has to pick Rashford I see absolutely no way any other top manager would keep picking him when he won’t/can’t do the basics.

Edit: for reference I’m actually quite pro ETH!
 
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Thekwango said:
Rashford not being able to look across the line and keep himself onside certainly can’t be blamed on eth. Keeping playing someone who can’t do such a relatively simple task is though. Unless his hands are tied, so to speak, and he has to pick Rashford I see absolutely no way any other top manager would keep picking him when he won’t/can’t do the basics.

Edit: for reference I’m actually quite pro ETH!
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Yeah you do have to wonder. I guess Garnacho performs best as a sub to, so there's that as well.
 
Robbo said:
So...

We're a few games into the new season and I would say there's an improvement in the performances, but it's fairly minimal so far. I'm not too hung up on the Brighton game as they are a decent side and could beat anyone at home.

Despite him almost being sacked, the club have firmly backed ETH with the transfer business this summer, and the squad is significantly stronger now, especially with Ugarte joining too.

However, I can't shake the feeling that ETH leaving is just a matter of time, I think the performances will continue to be up and down, and we're into his 3rd season now.

I think he was damaged beyond repair last season... and there's still no clear idea of how he wants to play, it's the usual Solskjaer counter-attack football which I don't think is sustainable at the top clubs for any real length of time.
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only because they couldn't find another manager after months and months of sending agenst out to tap up other managers agents all over Europe. I don't call that backing him, I call that being stuck between a rock and a hard place and not having any choice other than to let him play the transfer market, plus they fired all his backroom staff and hired new people, so again not really instilling confidence in ETH is it. he is lucky he managed to win the micky mouse cup otherwise he would have been down the job centre replacement found or not...............
 
Could you make that a little bigger, please. Having trouble reading it…

Genuinely can’t see ETH turning things around. Will be exciting to see what happens next as the only way would be up from his sacking surely… barring a Southgate appointment, of course!
 
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Converge said:
Could you make that a little bigger, please. Having trouble reading it…

Genuinely can’t see ETH turning things around. Will be exciting to see what happens next as the only way would be up from his sacking surely… barring a Southgate appointment, of course!
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Hasn't that been said about every appointment since Moyes was sacked and Man Utd are still basically in the same position they were under him?
 
Converge said:
Could you make that a little bigger, please. Having trouble reading it…

Genuinely can’t see ETH turning things around. Will be exciting to see what happens next as the only way would be up from his sacking surely… barring a Southgate appointment, of course!
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I think that is why RVN was brought in. If ETH gets the chop RVN will take over as interim.

I don't think it is as bad as people make out though. I think it was more of a case that ETH overachieved in the first season that made it worse really. I see a lot of similarities with Arteta at Arsenal in the seasons he finished 8th. ETH's system that he wants to achieve with Man Utd requires a certain spec of player and Rome wasn't built in a day but on the flip side he needs to get results to keep it going. We still need to get rid of Rashford imo and Casemiro time is coming to an end.

Ideally what he needs is Rashford to go on a purple patch (pigs might fly) or Hojlund comes back in and starts banging them in. Ugarte also needs to get up to speed quite quickly.
 
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a1ex2001 said:
Hasn't that been said about every appointment since Moyes was sacked and Man Utd are still basically in the same position they were under him?
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Indeed, difference being INEOS now who I would like to think would look for someone to meet their requirements rather than square peg / round holing it with ETH.

I think they’re just hoping to get a few more things set in motion, so are keeping him on as a stop gap. De Ligt and Mazraoui are a joint ETH and INEOS signing, ETH brought them up and they agreed and they’ve brought in players that they’ve then convinced ETH of, rather than the other way round, such as Ugarte.

I think whoever it eventually is, there should be more of an immediate impact than this slow death under ETH. But it’s needs must until someone they want is available.
 
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