Poll: Erik ten Hag Sack Watch & Next Manchester United Manager? Sacked. Ruben Amorim appointed.
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Soldato
Not sure what to think now. End of the day, it wasn't ETH miss placing every pass, giving up on 50/50s, letting the attacker keep running whilst you slow down. The players need to be asked, "do you want to play for Man utd" those players who answer instantly, keep. The ones who delay, just nod, look at the floor or look sad, replace with the kids. I would forgo this season and the next just to all the academy players in.
I think its a certain group of players. Not blaming the new signings, after all they are new to prem footy, But the players who have been here a few years or longer, they are the problem. Should be giving 100% every god damn game.
I think its a certain group of players. Not blaming the new signings, after all they are new to prem footy, But the players who have been here a few years or longer, they are the problem. Should be giving 100% every god damn game.
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I think it's all of the above, the players, the manager and coaches, the owners, INEOS (so much for the new culture, although appreciate it's early days).
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Soldato
They're certainly paid enough to do so.
These are all - allegedly - professional football players. They really ought to be able to play a match without, say, four of them just letting the opposition centre back run clean up the length of the field to put in a low cross for his team mate to slot home.
Soldato
they all should be able to play football without a manager and at least get a performance. they are not stupid (well!) they know what needs to be done in games, They know tactics, strategies, how to defend, shoot, they play football as a profession. Mind boggles how inept they are. When im having a smoke at work I can hear the sunday league teams on the fields next to my work place, all I can hear is, pass, square, man on, block him, get back, watch the runner etc. I bet they put in a performance every sunday. They maybe ***** but give 100%
The issue with sacking him is that you've just spent another boat load of cash getting the players he wanted in, whose to say if the next manager would want the likes of Ugarte/de Light/Zirkzee etc etc and you'll be back to square one except you are already pretty close to not being able to spend 200 mill plus each year. better to let him continue and get the best out of the players he wanted
This was another questionable decision from INEOS. ETH’s signings have generally not worked out, so why just go straight for more of his favourites… I think they were trying to back him, after openly trying to replace him. The second the board look like they’ve lost confidence in the manager, he’s done. They really did make a bit of a mess of things and that isn’t ETH’s fault.
I’m not sure they were just ‘his favourites’ though. I thought the way they’ve been working is that it’s collaborative this past transfer window. De Ligt and Mazraoui wouldn’t have come in without agreement from Ineos and it fitting with their goals too. Fine RE: Antony etc, but this window was with Ineos input. At least that’s my understanding.
Soldato
Benni MaCarthy has come out and stated that only Fernandes and Dalot are the only players that train well and give it everything, seems the rot still needs cutting out https://www.manchestereveningnews.c.../man-united-bruno-fernandes-mccarthy-30051996
Not that surprising is it? When you give average players world class wages why would they bother?
I know the article leads with that summary, but that's not what he says at all.
He holds two Portuguese players up as a positive example when talking to a Portuguese news outlet. Then he says some other players need to be more like them.
"They both trained with incredible focus, giving everything they had. Some of the others didn't do the same. This ended up hindering United's progress, because some players weren't training to the best of their ability."
Soldato
No not surprising at all, just that constantly changing the manager won’t sort out the issue and I think Ineos is aware of this. The players need cutting
Caporegime
Exactly ETH was a good manager and he doesn't just become crap overnight.
Rashford scored three goals in 2 games then gets dropped. He obviously doesn't have the right attitude and was up to something.
Soldato
ETH had never managed outside of the Dutch league. There have been plenty of managers/coaches who have had success in the Dutch league and less than stellar results elsewhere. Frank de Boer a prime example.
The thing with ajax is that the success they have is largely down to the crop of players that come through the academy. Which is why they'll have 4 or 5 years of winning the league on the bounce, then a period of 4 or 5 years of not winning anything as they've sold the current crop on for nice money and have to wait for the next batch. Managers are irrelevant largely there.
Soldato
Don’t get me wrong, I’m not saying ETH doesn’t deserve the sack, just that sacking the manager alone will do nothing unless you cut out the rot as well.
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The same applies to the EPL, you need the players to win stuff.
City has a squad of superstars, Pool have Salah, look at Chelsea now that Palmer is on fire, United only did well the other season because Rashford went on a mad one. United won the treble with Ronaldo etc.
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Caporegime
He proved himself in Europe on more than one occasion though. He is also the fastest manager to 100 wins with Ajax and the fastest manager to 50 wins with United.
My point is regardless if you sacked ETH or not the next manager is going to have to deal with the same old rubbish. With ETH gone the players will have known they have won. Imagine Sancho coming back too. That would be the final nail in the coffin.
The thing is that same thing happened with ETH and he bounced back and topped his final Champions League group with 18 points. 20 goals for and 5 against. He also continued to win the league whilst losing big players after their semi final run in 18/19.
Man Utd has made him look terrible (Even though he won two cups). Yet if you looked at his C.V compared to say Slot before he joined United you would have picked ETH every time. I am also sure ETH would do well with that current Liverpool team too.
You sack ETH and get a new manager you might have a bit of a bounce but you will still have those bad eggs around the club like Rashford, Sancho etc. Until those are moved on then nothing will change.
Garnacho looks already starting to turn that way and I am sure it will not be long until Mainoo ends up the same unless he leaves.
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Why would you? Winning a few trophies with Ajax where everything is set up for the manager isn't comparable to being joint top with the Dutch equivalent of west ham before covid shut the erivedese down and then winning it with Feyenord - I'd take the guy who has show he is a very capable manager at multiple clubs over the one club man personally - you wouldn't as you are too blinded by a bit of shiny silverware
Nah he wouldnt as he isnt a very good manager, wouldnt want him anywhere near my club thanks
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To which you can say he's had 2 years of buying players worth about 600 million and could you genuinely say one of them has made United better?
If you went round and asked 100 people who Uniteds best players are Fernandes and Mainoo would probably come out on top (with maybe Rashford on the 5 games a year he bothers), Ten Hag didn't buy any of those. Now either all those players he has bought are crap or he can't get a tune out of them, either way it's not a great look for him!
Still think the Glazers have played a blinder at United, flogged a tiny bit of the club for a Kings Ransom to INEOS and basically took all the heat off themselves owning the club to let them be the fall guys! If the clubs a success more $$$ for them, if the club fails the fans are gonna give it to INEOS now so they don't really lose either way.
Caporegime
Why would you? Winning a few trophies with Ajax where everything is set up for the manager isn't comparable to being joint top with the Dutch equivalent of west ham before covid shut the erivedese down and then winning it with Feyenord - I'd take the guy who has show he is a very capable manager at multiple clubs over the one club man personally - you wouldn't as you are too blinded by a bit of shiny silverware
Nah he wouldnt as he isnt a very good manager, wouldnt want him anywhere near my club thanks
Yet slot struggled in Europe and Feyenord is one of the big three in Holland. Any of them can win the league. Did he win the league last season? No PSV did. Also being top of the league on a half cancelled season is irrelevant especially due to covid with players not available due to having covid before it shut down and as the season was not complete some teams had easier fixtures than others despite being on similar games played.
Slot wouldn't make any difference at Man United at all really. That is the point I was making rather than what ETH is capable of. This club is poison to whoever comes in.
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