Ethernet Wall plates

[jonneymendoza]

Exactly this.

For client runs, use copper. If necessary, you can use a 10 GbE module for clients which have a 10 GbE SFP+ based NIC in them. Anything over 10 GbE is likely going to be next to a switch which supports it, in which case use DAC as an example like most data centres do.

For switch to switch runs, fibre is good if the switches support that medium, ie, SFP+ cages.

It seems mad to me to put in fibre to faceplates around the house for normal clients to consume.

You can combine the two. It's not one or the other.

You can have a fibre and copper faceplate if need be.

As said, many client machines won't have 10gbit of any kind so you have to consider adding a rj45 or fibre 10gbit nic (the fibre nic is cheaper the last time I looked)

 

[Caged]

Where are you seeing SFP+ NICs costing less? This isn't a big sample but Asus make a 10GbE and an SFP+ variant of a card, the XG-C100. The SFP+ version is £30 more, and you still need to buy the optic for it.

I would expect 10GbE copper ports to move towards being multigig ports, and the rise of home broadband speeds above 1Gbps to push demand for these interfaces and bring the price down. SFP+ will be displaced by higher speed interfaces priced accordingly.

 

[Meddling-Monk]

SFP+ modules are tiny and about 95% of the module will be within the switch or NIC so there's nothing exposed to the touch that would feel above ambient temperature, let alone burn.

You're worrying over nothing.

There really needs to be a more in depth thread/post about it really; When I look around the net looking for info when it comes to 10gb, there's always loads of top searches/threads/posts about how hot the modules get with SFP (hot enough to burn fingers apparently if not careful according to various posts in various locations) and that the RJ45 copper route doesn't suffer from the same fate quite as much. So that info is being pushed, even though that's not correct or not a real factor (as the heated components are not really touchable as you have kindly informed me ). Doesn't help the push for fibre internal network installation at home for those looking towards up'ing their network though with so many places providing info that's... not entirely accurate. *shrugs* Would certainly have given me more to think over back in 2014/2015, although I imagine I'll have stuck with copper anyway as there's limitations involved at my place (surface mount only), but it would have been good to know back then.

 

[the-evaluator]

There really needs to be a more in depth thread/post about it really; When I look around the net looking for info when it comes to 10gb, there's always loads of top searches/threads/posts about how hot the modules get with SFP (hot enough to burn fingers apparently if not careful according to various posts in various locations) and that the RJ45 copper route doesn't suffer from the same fate quite as much. So that info is being pushed, even though that's not correct or not a real factor (as the heated components are not really touchable as you have kindly informed me ). Doesn't help the push for fibre internal network installation at home for those looking towards up'ing their network though with so many places providing info that's... not entirely accurate. *shrugs* Would certainly have given me more to think over back in 2014/2015, although I imagine I'll have stuck with copper anyway as there's limitations involved at my place (surface mount only), but it would have been good to know back then.

I can only go on my own experience (25 years or so) but I've never once touched an SFP and found it to be hot and that's not just based on touching the exposed part of the module where the fibre connector is, but touching the body of the module after it had been removed from a switch. That goes for SFP (1Gbps), SFP+ (10Gbps), SFP28 (25Gbps), QSFP+ (40Gbps) and QSFP28 (100Gbps) modules. The modules do get warm, but hot to the point that they'll burn? No.

LR modules do get warmer, but they're still warm rather than hot.

If modules are somehow getting to those sorts of temperatures then I'd be inclined to think that it's heat transfer from the switch rather than heat generated by the SFP itself.

But there's no way I'd decide against using an SFP+ module based on heat concerns.

 

[SpellowHouse]

Main reasoning for 6a or 7 was that I want full 10GBit around the house. All my internet searches stated that Cat 6 was only good for 1Gbit - assuming by your replies this is not correct? One of the runs is around 30 metres but if I can get 10Gbit on this with Cat 6 then that would suffice.

Cat6 will happily do 10Gb with the lengths we are talking about. In a house you do not need shielding either.

 

[Richeh]

Cat6 will happily do 10Gb with the lengths we are talking about. In a house you do not need shielding either.

Hey,

Yeah i've just gone for Cat 6 cable after establishing no runs are over 30m so 10GB will be possible. It is shielded but that is due to the majority of it being external.

Seems like there is a bigger question regarding cabling that has amassed in here lol

 

[Armageus]

Hey,

Yeah i've just gone for Cat 6 cable after establishing no runs are over 30m so 10GB will be possible. It is shielded but that is due to the majority of it being external.

Seems like there is a bigger question regarding cabling that has amassed in here lol

Shielding isn't needed for external, and without the shield actually be connected at each end with shielded patch panel and faceplates can make things worse.

For external all that is needed is External grade cable that has a different UV resistant jacket.