Soldato
Voting to stay in. A united states of Europe is clearly better for us than trying to go solo. Confident that the right wingers can't possibly win this vote, so smug mode is engaged. 
Poll: EU Referendum Voting Intentions
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I think this makes more sense than the current setup. A United States of Europe. However I'm not sure I want to be around while that happens.
Because they knew they would probably be rejected after stealing billions from EU members?
In fact I believe it was actually said at the time that Iceland voted not to pay back what they owed that it would affect their desires for EU membership.
You don't seem to understand how it works, a massive amount of the money Wales receives from the UK goes on English things. To clarify we are energy sufficient 3-4 times over yet we are still building more power generation because England depends on us to subsidise it's grid, just like it depends on us to subsidise it's reservoir capacity, farmland, roads, etc.
To give one example of how the "spending per head" figures are a joke: We get given money by the UK treasury, some of that money then gets given to wind farm operators generating power for England in order to subsidise them, the reason they are subsidised is because the UK would have to pay the same anyway in fines for failing to meet targets on CO2 emissions, 90%+ of which is emitted by England.
And yet people like you whine that were overfunded when in reality we are grossly underfunded, because you only see the money, nothing else
Not completely pointless, there are people who would stay with the right reforms, but leave without any reforms, regardless of what they actually are.
It would add a layer of interest to the poll result.
Soldato
Because they knew they would probably be rejected after stealing billions from EU members?
In fact I believe it was actually said at the time that Iceland voted not to pay back what they owed that it would affect their desires for EU membership.
You don't seem to understand how it works, a massive amount of the money Wales receives from the UK goes on English things. To clarify we are energy sufficient 3-4 times over yet we are still building more power generation because England depends on us to subsidise it's grid, just like it depends on us to subsidise it's reservoir capacity, farmland, roads, etc.
To give one example of how the "spending per head" figures are a joke: We get given money by the UK treasury, some of that money then gets given to wind farm operators generating power for England in order to subsidise them, the reason they are subsidised is because the UK would have to pay the same anyway in fines for failing to meet targets on CO2 emissions, 90%+ of which is emitted by England.
And yet people like you whine that were overfunded when in reality we are grossly underfunded, because you only see the money, nothing else
That and prescriptions are much more expensive in wales.
Yes, the EU will be a super state at some point and you don't want to be one of the main decision makers in that state, you want to be Iceland.
like we would have more of a say then we do now, we've always been the disliked outsider
That's a role we've chosen for ourselves. If we talked about reforming Europe for everyone's benefit - rather than just for us - I'm sure that we would have far more allies.
We've always been the backseat driver; moaning rather than wanting to get involved.
Soldato
leave EU but stay in EEA like Iceland and Norway. Although that might not be permitted as UK already is a full EU member and the EU/EC may not allow UK to leave and retain membership to the EEA as it would effectively send out a signal that all members can sack off the political union but retain the economic and trade benefits...................
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This isn't about the intricacies of the EU - it's a fundamental question about who governs the UK? The parliament in London or the one in Brussels?
Let's think about all that shale gas they found in Lancashire. If at some point in future we start fracking for that gas then some revenue will be due to a government, but which one? Would you be happy for the revenue to go to the EU who would then spend it on building roads in eastern and southern Europe? I know this wouldn't be the case if we started fracking tomorrow but it's an example of a scenario that voters must consider given the direction of the EU.
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A Fourth Reich?
Well done to Germany as they have managed to take more control of Europe via politics then they ever hoped to via war
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They are willing to work harder for less pay?
Well done to Germany as they have managed to take more control of Europe via politics then they ever hoped to via war
...you know this is completely false, surely?
Soldato
No mainly I don't like the name I'd rather be:
The Isle's of Albion
Great Britain
Or the United Kingdom because they sound cool, The EU/Federated States of Europe juts doesn't conjour up anything other than boredom!
You have the right to vote for an MEP and they represent you. You can find yours here http://www.europarl.org.uk/en/your_meps.html
Saying "no way to remove them if an entire country wants to over throw them" is like complaining that Birmingham can't overthrow the UK government alone.
There's absolutely nothing Marxist or dictatorial about the EU. (Can't believe I even need to write that.)
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I really don't understand why people think this is a good idea. It essentially means being part of an organisation bound by rules over which we surrender all control. The vast majority of rules agreed in the EU would continue to apply to us but we'd have no ability to control them. What's good about that?
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We would only have to abide by the EU rules when trading with the EU, for trade with say, China or the Anglosphere, we'd be free to develop our own trade rules.
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