Euro 2012 Qualifiers 2/3/6 September ** Spoilers**

When does the team get announced?

Part of me wants England to get BUM-DAMAGED, but another part of me wants them to do really well, if its all the young next generation playing (like ManU).

Crap like Barry and Milner should be nowhere near this squad, none of the old failures should be.

The saving grace is that Heskey is not there. Is he injured or was it the death threats from the fans that got Crapello to see the light and drop him?!!
 
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Tummy said:
What's the point you're trying to make?
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Probably that with a great squad on paper, they failed miserably against Germany in the world Cup. Argentina’s squad is in my opinion as talented as Spain’s but they don’t seem to play as a team. Most teams would kill for Messi, Teves, Aguero, Di María, Higuaín, Pastore, seriously talented team but got torn to shreds by Germany.
 
crackerman said:
Probably that with a great squad on paper, they failed miserably against Germany in the world Cup. Argentina’s squad is in my opinion as talented as Spain’s but they don’t seem to play as a team. Most teams would kill for Messi, Teves, Aguero, Di María, Higuaín, Pastore, seriously talented team but got torn to shreds by Germany.
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Yet, Argetina with a first time manager, got further than England, as did Brazil, two newbie managers without league experience basically got...... further than a 25 year vet with ridiculous club level success.

Look what happened, John Terry did what Gallas did for Arsenal, he spoke up when it needed to be. Everyone is now saying how they weren't relaxed and the atmosphere was crap, and a lot of that has changed since Terry's "outburst". The team ARE playing better and he's seemingly actually choosing on form rather than SAYING he's choosing the team on form. Young, Wilshire, parker bring brought into the team has drastically changed how good we've looked. Doesn't this point to the fact that, Capello did get it completely wrong, his thinking, attitude, and style simply don't suit a setup that has to get together, isolated for a couple months and play well in several matches in a row?

On paper, in the league Capello should rip apart any team Dunga, Loew, Maradona put out, tactically, training, motivation, etc, etc. Yet England looked the most disjointed, the players almost universally played much worse than they did at club level. Brazil's team isn't that good with half the players coming into the world cup in poor form, Robinho an outcast from City, Kaka was, cacka(i'm cringing myself right now). Yet kaka, Robinho played well, the ridiculous inclusion and playing of Melo cost them what at that stage in the game looked like moving towards the final anyway.

The point isn't, look how good they actually were, its look how poor we were with proven manager after proven manager, at club level. Loew was a pretty crappy club manager, getting relegated, clubs going bankrupt(not exactly his fault but the level of club he was getting jobs at). But he was assistant manager in a successful good football playing spell under Klinsman AND he had players with vast experience of tournaments in the squad.

England doesn't have experienced England players, as in, loads have a lot of caps but at no stage has any of them been in a team anyone thought was playing great in international football, and the manager hasn't done anything.

Previous england managers have won things at club level of been deemed good club managers, and none of them have had any real experience of a successful international setup............... surely having tried, expensive foreign managers, expensive england managers, cheap england managers, charismatic but crap england managers, and faith healer "alternative" international managers, the next step is to hire someone with previous Euro/World cup success.

Here's a question for you, if you don't look for the next manager to have international success either as a player or manager....... what would you look for in the next manager(and think about if we've had whatever that is, in previous England managers).
 
andy@moFo said:
Harry next England manager. Moyes to replace Harry?
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No, not a chance that will help. Only thing that can help is if who ever manages England actually picks players on form AND ability, not just who sucks up to the manager the most... (and maybe can hear me from my arm chair screaming sub Rooney from the last world cup as that was tactical gold from my position)
 
drunkenmaster said:
Previous england managers have won things at club level of been deemed good club managers, and none of them have had any real experience of a successful international setup............... surely having tried, expensive foreign managers, expensive england managers, cheap england managers, charismatic but crap england managers, and faith healer "alternative" international managers, the next step is to hire someone with previous Euro/World cup success.

Here's a question for you, if you don't look for the next manager to have international success either as a player or manager....... what would you look for in the next manager(and think about if we've had whatever that is, in previous England managers).
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I guess the problem is that the list of managers who have had previous WC success, are still in management, speak english and would be available is pretty limited. Bobby Robson is dead, Alf Ramsey is dead, Beckenbauer doesn't manage any more, Lippi I'm not sure maybe we could tempt him out of retirement, Jacquet is retired, Scholari... a possibility?, Del Bosque would be mad to leave Spain, Carlos Alberto lucked out by having great players etc.

Not saying it is a flawed philosophy, the thought of Redknapp managing England doesn't fill me with confidence, but personally I think Hiddink might be a worthy option. Has had moderate success with mediocre international teams and speaks good English so should fit the bill. 2 WC semi finals and 1 Euro semifinal, also an accomplished manager at club level (European cup etc).
 
Hiddink, Loew, Del Bosque, it can't hurt to ask frankly. Del Bosque's won everything, and its barely a challenge, honestly other than the money the England job wasn't even close to the best job Capello could have gotten. A proper team is a far more involved and interesting job, he like many other managers could be had for a big pay cheque.

Hiddink is an obvious choice, again I'm not really talking about winning at a world/euro cup in terms of success but, a manager who makes a great team, who has a team that works well and is better than the sum of its parts, and plays winning football, organised defence, clearly knows how to motivate, train and prepare for a tournament experience..... Hiddink isn't worthy, he's probably the single best candidate for England.

End of the day, its a fairly big job, and managers (mostly) don't like to stagnate in the same job. Its not like Mourinho isn't happy to move around is it. In the case of Mourinho, it would be interesting to see if he could hack it at international level, with his defensive style I would have said he'd find it very hard to win, but his rather more attacking style of late, basically all out attack, could well work.
 
Tummy said:
Honestly, not bothered.

England are awful and will continue to be until Capello goes.
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Agreed Capello should have gone after the world cup tbf.

Your first point though... are you even an England fan? Quite frankly I support the team regardless of who is in charge and how poor we have been because that's what football supporters do.
 
Only a win will do for us tonight to keep any hope alive. Hopefully we can turn Serbia over at home. I'm not sure how optimistic I feel.
 
A couple of reporters are saying the pitch we will be playing on tonight is the worst they have ever seen.

Un even grass cover, weeds, hard + soft soil (no consistency), not level, and there's loads of stones in the penalty boxes.
 
Supposedly the following is the England side for tonight: Hart, Smalling, Cahill, Terry, Cole, Young, Parker, Barry, Downing, Walcott and Rooney.

Surprised that Smalling starts ahead of Richards and Cahill ahead of Jones. And even without Wilshere and Gerrard, Lampard still finds himself out the side; I guess that's it for him.
 
Biz.Kid09 said:
No Lescott, Johnson, Milner and Richards. Thanks Capello.
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They are too crap anyway.

Apart from Richards, but hes more wild animal than footballer!!

Bad feeling about tonight. I think England are going to be crap, then blame the pitch, and tiredness after a long hard season. lol
 
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