European Grand Prix 2010, Valencia Street Circuit - Race 9/19

FrankJH said:
I may be wrong but I understand that this infringement was for the 9 cars during their IN Lap as the safety car came out?

A few of those cars where already past the accident (a few cars had already been in and out before the cameras even cut to the pits) , so they were penalised for being past the accident (ie no safety issue) and racing in green flag zones - isnt there a rule that drivers are meant to catch the safety car as quickly as possible (exc the area of the track where the accident is) - what I mean is any car cant crawl around the track at SC speeds while being "ahead" of hte sc - ie which would give them maximum time in the pits before sc caught them .....
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Yes it was for the in lap and in this case they where past the accident. But that doesn't mean it is always lie that. Not taht it makes any diffrence a rule is a rule. it is a perfectly sensible rule, which can be dealt with in the race.

No, they get a target lap time and they can also be penalised for going to slowly, not sure if there is a set time for that though.

FrankJH said:
Well it certainly looked like he lost MAX 15s during his drive through (from how far Koby was before the drive through and after)
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which again does not compare to the 5seconds given.

A lot of the stops where around 19/20 seconds, which includes the 3-5 seconds for the tyre changes.
 
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NathanE said:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2010/jun/28/ferrari-face-fia-action

Excellent. Ferrari face action from the FIA for "bringing the sport into disrepute" (it's a rule they used on McLaren a couple years ago).

That'll teach 'em.
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It has been manipulated, but not over Hamilton.

I have no doubt that if it was not 9 cars (6 of which were in the points) they would have either got 20 seconds or grid drops. This 5 seconds makes no sense. Other than it's a punishment which affected the least amount of people. But was still a "punishment" as one person lost out.
 
what you need is a tyre war, where longevity is sacrificed for all out speed.
FIA also need to stop creating artificial racing. two tye compound, movable rear wing etc. Although some of that fault is FOTAS as well.
 
Baboonanza said:
The problem is that doing that won't help at the moment because overtaking is too difficult. Longevity (and thus track position) will always trump speed. Koby's overtakes yesterday were an anomaly, you wouldn't ordinarily see a car on fresh softs that only have to last for 5 laps against people on hards that are almost 30 laps old.
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no double diffuser next year, should significantly lower the air distubance.

Also just solve the problem, less reliance and development on aero dynamics and more development in engines and other mechanics. which also serves the "green" image F1 is trying to push and help kers. Now we have no refuelling. The FIA should be limiting fuel and opening up development.
 
sunama said:
Had Vettel not had the crash in Turkey and Webber had been told to move aside, Vettel would be leading the title race by now. Note: the Turkey incident had nothing to do with poor reliability. From here on in though, Webber knows his place, so the Turkish incident shouldnt be repeated.

Vettel has a good chance of winning the title from here on in, providing we don't get too much rain and Webber obeys team orders.
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If you think webber knows his place and will pull over, you are mistaken.

if everyone pulls over shure anyone can win.
 
except it is not so clear cut.

It is fact but team orders are illegal and so can not move over like they did in the old days, there is no basis for contract termination and there is no chance webber will move over.
 
sunama said:
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It all depends on whether or not RBR can maintain their car advantage. Would you bet against them?
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I certainly would, what won Brawn GP the contest last year, was capitalising early on and making just enough points in teh second half to survive.

RBR does not have that lead, does not have the reliability and are supporting a fast but unstable driver.
McLaren on the other hand have 2 of the best drivers, one is the fastest and the other is one of the top strategic callers and looks at a race as a race, not a single lap.
Couple that with McLarens ability to develop and RBR is screwed.
Even if they maintain there pace advantage it has not done them much good in teh first half of teh season, why do you think that will suddenly change?
I'm not saying they will go to pot, it will be close but I see McLaren overall extending there lead, although I'm sure that the constructors and driver standings will have a few changes before teh end of teh season.
 
sunama said:
For the record, I cannot remember the last time I head of a driver failing to follow team-orders...I actually can't think of any occassions where this has happened. Turkey 2010 would've been the first (to my memory), however, since then, it transpired that the message for Webber to move over, was not transmitted to him.
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that's because you never hear team orders as they are illegal, so you have no idea eitehr way what is a team order and what is not, as well as if it was followed or not.

And webber could easily move to another team.

sunama said:
Turkey 2010 would've been the first (to my memory), however, since then, it transpired that the message for Webber to move over, was not transmitted to him.
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You keep saying that but it is total speculation. If there was any evidence then FIA would have been on the issue and fining RBR.
 
And it should have worked well for him, if he wasn't so stupid.

Pitted early to get free air and bang the laps in, we saw how well that worked with kobyashi.

Why oh why was he so aggresive with a lotus, just no need.
 
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