European Grand Prix 2011, Valencia Street Circuit - Race 8/19

Wow I agree with EJ for once. Button needs to sort out qualifying and it may well be balance. But then that's down to you talking to the engineers and fine tuning the setup.
 
As said it's not so much the death, it's the risk. If you remove the risk, it means the cars aren't going fast enough and as such becomes boring. We are seeing the start of this. I mean flat out round corners is stupid . We need more bhp or less downforce or a combination.
The massive run off areas which don't punish people due to safety is also a pile of junk and spoils it.
 
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Qualifying - Vettel on pole as Red Bull dominate
Sebastian Vettel needed only one hot lap in the final qualifying to secure his seventh pole position of the season for Red Bull in Valencia. Just after Lewis Hamilton had lapped his McLaren in 1m 37.380s to set the Q3 pace after the first runs, Vettel replied with 1m 36.975s, and that was it. Job done.

Highlights - European Grand Prix qualifying
Watch highlights as Red Bull's Sebastian Vettel storms to an emphatic seventh pole position of 2011 ahead of team-mate Mark Webber and McLaren's Lewis Hamilton in Valencia.

Sebastian Vettel's European GP pole lap
Ride on board with Red Bull's Sebastian Vettel as the German secures his seventh pole position of the season in qualifying for the European Grand Prix in Valencia.

The European Grand Prix - Qualifying
Jake Humphrey introduces live coverage of qualifying for the European Grand Prix in Spain, with commentary from Martin Brundle and David Coulthard.
 
Friday practice - selected team and driver quotes
It may have been business as usual on Friday morning in Valencia, with Red Bull’s Mark Webber leading the pack, but by the afternoon session the advantage had shifted to Ferrari’s Fernando Alonso. The drivers and senior team personnel report on the opening day of the European round…

FIA Friday press conference - Europe
Team representatives - Ross Brawn (Mercedes), Mike Gascoyne (Team Lotus), James Key (Sauber), Geoff Willis (HRT), Franz Tost (Toro Rosso).

FIA post-qualifying press conference - Europe
Drivers: 1 - Sebastian Vettel (Red Bull), 2 - Mark Webber (Red Bull), 3 - Lewis Hamilton (McLaren)

Qualifying - selected team and driver quotes
Lotus’s Jarno Trulli on spinning on his last lap during Q1 and finishing 20th on the grid; Williams’ Pastor Maldonado on why he brought out the red flags; Force India’s Adrian Sutil on making it through to the top-ten shootout; and Red Bull's Sebastian Vettel and Mark Webber on locking out the front row. All the drivers and leading team personnel report back on Saturday in Valencia…
 
Kenai said:
Indeed, it does make me wonder, if all other aspects of F1 were the absolute pinnacle of thrills and excitement but it was 100% guaranteed that no driver could die - he seems to be saying he'd find it boring, simply because no one might die? :confused:
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No, what he's saying is without the risk, then the cars are to slow, not enough racing and all the other elements would have to be very far from the pinnacle of racing for that to happen.
 
Skeeter said:
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How have you come to the conclusion that the pinnacle of motorsport is the chance of death if you make a mistake?
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It's not the death. It's the risk. If you remove all the risk. Then the cars aren't going fast enough, there's to many run offs, they can't be racing wheel to wheel, side by side round a corner so on and so forth. You can't remove the risks totally without killing the sport.
What should be happening is ever increasing car safety and tests and ever increasing barrier development and of course every other area.
Not having full throttle round corners, run offs bigger than a football field and everything else.

Would rather see closed cockpit racing, then this ever decreasing bhp and ever increasing UN offs, ever increasing penalties for "avoidable accidents" just look at the two Audi crashes in lemans 24 for how safe the cars can be made, without rediculuse rulings.
 
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Kenai said:
Well no, what he said was, that unless people might die, it's not exciting.

I just don't see it, there is plenty of excitement to be had without risking death at every race.
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Then please tell me how you have racing with no risk of death?
You guys are. Over reacting and aren't thinking about what you are saying.
Racing will always have risk and as such the chance of death. Remove all those risks and you do not have racing.
 
Skeeter said:
Stop trying to backtrack on your own argument. The risk of something is only there if the chance of it is.

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Backtrack, I haven't backtracked at all, perhaps try reading. Rather than jumping to conclusions.

And where have I said I would like to see drivers, or wait I haven't.
Even in the first post I said safety should be improving. Oh wait but you've jumped on a bandwagon without thinking.
 
Kenai said:
The only people not thinking are the ones who claim Formula 1 is made exciting by possibility of death.
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I haven't said that, what I have said is if you remove the risks then you are removing the exciting parts (speed, wheel to wheel racing? Etc) you can not have those things without risk.
 
Skeeter said:
However, the statement that racing wouldn't be racing without the chance of death is just garbage designed to ignite argument. You are confusing F1 with Gladiator battles. The idea of F1 is to win, not to kill everybody. Death has absolutely no purpose in racing.
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no that's Sunama.

Again please tell me how you can have racing with no chance of death?
Go on explain it, you contradict yourself, you agree with me with your first line, then take it all back on your last line.

Oh and what did I say

AcidHell2 said:
It's not the death. .
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Oh wow exactly what you said
 
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Skeeter said:
You cant. But I dont want or need it to make the sport exciting. The chance of death is an unfortunate yet unavoidable (yet limitable) consequence of going racing, it is not a requirement to make the sport exciting.
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Thank you and that's all I've said for the start.
 
Kenai said:
So you agree with us then in that sunama's comment that the possibility of death is what makes Formula 1 exciting is retarded? :confused:
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No becuase I don't read it like that, I read it as the same as my opinion. If you remove the risk you have to remove racing. I think all you guys jumped on bandwagon and misread it. Although if he comes back and clarifies it to your interpretation then yes. But I really don't think he meant it that way. Again I said that in my first post.
 
Kenai said:
IMO there must always be a possibility of a death in F1...that's what makes it exciting.

The possibility of death is what makes Formula 1 exciting. It's a pretty clear statement really. Without possibility of death, it isn't exciting.

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last comment from me I will not reply.
That can easily mean that what makes the risk of death is what makes it exciting, the speed, the racing etc.
 
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