EV future proofing?

If you want it, I'd be tempted to get cables in and just have them terminated where you want the charger (assuming your not going to change your mind on its location), but not actually get one fitted. Am I reading your post right, 18mm cable? What's being charged, a fleet of evs :D . I'm not sure smart chargers are worth it, I treat mine as dumb and let the car decide, although its possible dumb ones might dissappear.
 
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dumb ones may end up being the smart choice (pun intended). I have just ordered a zappi and whilst I love all the features it has the tinfoil hatter in me worried that these devices are so intelligent in theory they could allow something put in place to charge a more expensive price for car charging than for electricity to run your home

a dumb charger they would not know. instead of red diesel we would have red electricity.
 
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I'd wait personally, the big thing that I can see happening would be a standardisation of/move to V2H or V2G, these would almost certainly require new charges and would drastically change the way EVs are used/work, imo.
 
Yeah V2G may move to the CCS connector for ISO-15118:20 so id be reluctant to change for the sake of it. Indra has the kit (uk based) and the newer VW ID models are ready.
 
V2G i think will bring some issues in many countries.

if you own the car outright, then fair enough its a risk you take and manage.

But if you got the car on finance, and use V2G and dont have the intention to pay the balloon at the end knowing the number of charge cycles you have put through the battery - will the finance company be happy to pick up the cost for a battery replacement as techically mileage of the car may be within the allowed annual milage?

if you lease the car, this is even more of an issue as you who lease the car have 0 responsibilty after the lease expires, long as the car is under the mileage allowance and works.

Cheapest lease for MG4 is £250/month atm for 4yrs - for 64kwh battery; based on current octopus flux cheapest import rate of 20p/kwh and best export rate of 36.6p/kwh thats £10.6 worth of money each cycle (100% to 0%). assume you have facility to discharge at 22kw to the grid thats £300/month of income which offsets the lease but battery might start getting knackered in a couple of years. conservatively say you charge to 80% and discharge to 20% daily - thats £6.40/day...

i dont think the fiannce companies will be knee to pick up costs or let you generate income like that or maybe they are none the wiser....

current car finances of any sort will have small print saying you cant use the car for commerical work, maybe when V2G is a reality, similar sanction will be imposed??
 
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Strange world, people worried about battery warranty’s when trickling in and out of a house around 2-3kW. But anything that can’t charge above 150kW is “old tech”
 
pc-guy said:
V2G i think will bring some issues in many countries.

if you own the car outright, then fair enough its a risk you take and manage.

But if you got the car on finance, and use V2G and dont have the intention to pay the balloon at the end knowing the number of charge cycles you have put through the battery - will the finance company be happy to pick up the cost for a battery replacement as techically mileage of the car may be within the allowed annual milage?

if you lease the car, this is even more of an issue as you who lease the car have 0 responsibilty after the lease expires, long as the car is under the mileage allowance and works.

Cheapest lease for MG4 is £250/month atm for 4yrs - for 64kwh battery; based on current octopus flux cheapest import rate of 20p/kwh and best export rate of 36.6p/kwh thats £10.6 worth of money each cycle (100% to 0%). assume you have facility to discharge at 22kw to the grid thats £300/month of income which offsets the lease but battery might start getting knackered in a couple of years. conservatively say you charge to 80% and discharge to 20% daily - thats £6.40/day...

i dont think the fiannce companies will be knee to pick up costs or let you generate income like that or maybe they are none the wiser....

current car finances of any sort will have small print saying you cant use the car for commerical work, maybe when V2G is a reality, similar sanction will be imposed??
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A balloon based on battery cycles/mileage interpolated on a matrix seems sensible. It just makes the "green" maths harder.
 
bigmike20vt said:
dumb ones may end up being the smart choice (pub intended). I have just ordered a zappi and whilst I love all the features it has the tinfoil hatter in me worried that these devices are so intelligent in theory they could allow something put in place to charge a more expensive price for car charging than for electricity to run your home
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could you use a dumb charger to access the likes of the OVO ev tarif - where they will tell it (or your car directly ?) when it can charge,
from a VAT perspective government could say that charge delivered to a smart charger was vatable and other ev tarifs also have to impose a blanket vat during charging period
 
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could you use a dumb charger to access the likes of the OVO ev tarif - where they will tell it (or your car directly ?) when it can charge,
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No. It's a shame because I have a smart 3 pin socket and a granny charger - wouldn't take 5 mins on 'IF THIS THEN THAT' to switch the charger on. Instead they want me to sink a grand into a charger I don't need..
 
Fair - had forgotten they were compatible by talking directly to the car.

The Pug App is absolute garbage though; literally hot steaming mess. I'd have zero confidence in it working. In fact the reason I fitted the smart 3 pin socket to the outdoor plug was to avoid ever having to interact with the Pug app.
 
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Strange world, people worried about battery warranty’s when trickling in and out of a house around 2-3kW. But anything that can’t charge above 150kW is “old tech”
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indeed..... whilst i could imagine in really REALLY rare circumstances being slightly envious of people with the ability to charge super fast.... for the vast majority of the time even if i could charge that quickly i would be choosing charging modes which were slower (100kW or even 50kW) for the most part even when DC charging, because i would be worried about the long term battery degradation.

10years from now perhaps my fear will be missplaced and in which case i will happily admit it, but for now i personally would rather play it safe and grab a coffee as well as having a wee when at the service station.
 
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dLockers said:
A balloon based on battery cycles/mileage interpolated on a matrix seems sensible. It just makes the "green" maths harder.
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none of the current gen of EVs have that - not sure the funcation can be unlocked with firmware update. i think from 2025 or something, new EV must have that indicators in EU and possibly earlier in US/California.

but the proposed approach would be sensible and most pragmatic. also making buying used EV more accurate ie based on battery condition and health as opposed to mileage.
 
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