EV general discussion

EVs in China are dirt cheap. Shame we can’t get them at the same prices here in Europe. Imagine if there is nominal tariff on EVs coming in from China. We would be seeing BYD/XPeng etc on the roads everywhere obviously German/french/Italian car makers will go out of business unless they got in bed with one of them.
Cars from China (and anywhere else outside of Europe) have a 10% tariff applied already.

EV's in China still have incentives applied and don't have 20% VAT or a 10% tariff on them to all those stories where see "LOOK AT THIS £20k TESLA KILLER" are a complete nonsense in reality because their pricing is way off the mark and therefore their opinions which are based off that price are completely flawed.
 
When I was out in China the colleague I was working with owned 2 flats in London and bought her Polestar for £24k /rip
 
The car that broke down in the middle of the road closing the whole of the A30 was ICE. It was beautiful from my pov on my first long journey in my EV :)
What a weird attitude. Last car I saw broken down was a Cupra Born on the M6 toll travelling in the opposite direction. The guy looked properly distressed and had his family with him, I really felt for the guy. Maybe I should have revelled in the "ironing" of it because his car is fuelled differently :confused:

Also, most cars built in the last 20 years have more features and performance than a VW Fox. By thinking that your current car is different from those internal combustion ones you see is because it is electric is simply wrong.
 
Also the ridiculous insurance industry but if EVs are dirt cheap as they are in China premium will fall rapidly on EVs.
Only if the net result of every claim is to write the car off and replace it. If parts are difficult to source or a country lacks the technicians required for works relating to a particular brand then repairs will be expensive. Expensive repairs = bigger insurance claims = bigger premiums.
 
you could say that part of the reason they are cheap in China, and a foreign currency earner, is partly due to lack of worldwide investment in infrastructure for parts distribution and manufacture,
so it's pathalogic - are 3rd party non-oem manufactuers on the pathway.
 
you could say that part of the reason they are cheap in China, and a foreign currency earner, is partly due to lack of worldwide investment in infrastructure for parts distribution and manufacture,
so it's pathalogic - are 3rd party non-oem manufactuers on the pathway.
No. It’s literally just the incentives and the cost to do business in the U.K./Europe vs China.

Everything is just more expensive here from the land for the showroom, to the lorry driver who takes the car from the port to the show room to the wages for the person who washes the car before handing to you.

There are also large taxes and import tariffs to add on top of any list price and no incentives from government.

Your German assembled car will be stuffed with components made in China. The existing global logistics network can handle parts for Chinese cars coming to Europe.
 
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Kings english - not sure if KS has discussed our current STEM education

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The same people who slow down because they don't understand the car needs a bit more power applied to go up hill instead of along a flat road, will do so whether they're in an ICE or an EV, surely?
It's just the inevitable Torque curves of EV vs ICE and having no gearbox..

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That and the gearbox with fixed gears means that you have more 'modulation' of the throttle to contend with in an ICE car in general..
i.e. on a very steep hill you will start to feed in a lot more throttle (AKA Torque Demand) at some point you (or the car) will change down to an appropriate gear, but then you might have too much torque at that point and have to back off a bit.. all that faffing around leads to people slowing down in general.. some will just floor it in top gear and rather slow down than have to keep changing gear...

The EV has no gearbox so has a more consistent torque input from the throttle which means it's easier to modulate your speed and generally requires less input change compared to an ICE car in top gear for the same increase in wheel torque.

I drive both regularly, really steep hills like Halden Hill near Exeter or the A417 up to the 'air balloon' are ones that you find it much 'easier' in an EV to just give it a bit more throttle and it maintains it's speed vs most normal cars struggling, you need a lot more throttle/gear changes etc..

No big deal EVs have their own issues, but smoothness/ease of driving is just one of those things they have an advantage.


Or something along those lines.
 
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I drive both regularly, really steep hills like Halden Hill near Exeter or the A417 up to the 'air balloon' are ones that you find it much 'easier' in an EV to just give it a bit more throttle and it maintains it's speed vs most normal cars struggling, you need a lot more throttle/gear changes etc..

He's talking about a dual carriageway (so, the Exeter example in your post above works), why would you not just be using cruise control? I drive up that particular hill often and never need to think about it. The car just goes up, at the speed set on the cruise control, as it has done in every car I've owned since 2004.

The ability to easily go up a hill on a dual carriageway when using cruise control isn't a benefit of an electric car, its a benefit of any car with an engine that has more than about 100 horsepower. It was, however, presented like no petrol or diesel car would do it.
 
Pretty sure the Vauxhal Meriva had some weird feature where your throttle "set the speed" like some kind of hybrid CC. Going up hill, no more pedal needed.
 
He's talking about a dual carriageway (so, the Exeter example in your post above works), why would you not just be using cruise control? I drive up that particular hill often and never need to think about it. The car just goes up, at the speed set on the cruise control, as it has done in every car I've owned since 2004.

The ability to easily go up a hill on a dual carriageway when using cruise control isn't a benefit of an electric car, its a benefit of any car with an engine that has more than about 100 horsepower. It was, however, presented like no petrol or diesel car would do it.
Have you not noticed how many cars you fly by when you go up Halden Hill? I went up last Friday morning and passed 30+ cars, in fact by the top the speed differential is often a bit much if you are maintaining the speed limit.

There has to be many reasons for this, a combination of:
1. Not using cruise
2. Cars underpowered or driver reluctant to change gear (manual)
3. People don't like revving the nuts off their cars and just have mechanical sympathy and accept slowing down is kinder to their car.
4. Scared senseless :)

EV's don't need any gear change, they don't need you flooring it, and even with cruise on, every EV has more than enough torque at the right end of the speed range to not slow down..

We have two pool cars (Focus 1.0T Auto, Civic 2.0 eCVT) that can't make it up the A417(It's a single carraigeway, two lanes going up the hill 60 mph fast road) without slowing down by 5-10mph even with cruise control on, and one of those will disable cruise as well when it figures out it can't maintain it.. They may struggle with Halden Hill too.. Yet the VW eUP rattles up there at the speed limit no problems, as does an i3, and an ID.3 will accelerate heavily up there..

My argument would be that in general EVs make it easier for more people to not lose speed in their normal driving style. On top of that, even with cruise they have less fluctuation because they can modulate the torque from 0-100% without a gear change so it's all instantaneous, going up the A417 has even higher powered torquey ICE cars fluctuating by 2-3 mph and not being the most consistent.

And yes, of course a 530d / m340i auto with cruise on will blast up just fine.. I've been driving up Halden Hill for 35 years, I'd be lucky if 1 or 2 others going up are maintaining their speed, the rest all start slowing considerably by the top.. In fact it's something that sticks out to this day.. cars have got faster, yet the number of cars slowing never seems to change..

because I flit between ICE/EV all the time, I notice the different characteristics, so even though I use cruise/autopilot type features as much as possible, I still occasionally drive 'manually' and then it's quite obvious how much less throttle input you need..
 
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Managing hills is just a function of what weight, power, torque and gearing you have and that it is, some of the hills down south used to be a right struggle for me with 130bhp/220lbft, this had to scream and I could barely hit 50!!! :o got better with 180bhp/300lbsft now with 455bhp/523lbsft its a doddle even with 2 tonnes on the back.

Being a EV would doubtless make it easier without needing many ratios
 
I slow cruise as climbings hill and recover the speed on the way down, prefer to maintain a more constant load than a speed in the name of efficiency. Plus im a weirdo nerd.
 
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